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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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RKBA
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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being a lawyer myself, only one advice, signing online petitions does not work in our legal system and for a petition before any court current 'court...
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Last post by gurbirsinghdhillon
Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:35 pm
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Last post by pistolprince007
Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:36 pm
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New Arms Rules 2016 notified by Government of India!
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mundaire » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:33 pm
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The Legal Eagle
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Please see the attachment (English version).
For those of you who are not members here you can directly click on to view/ download the file without...
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Hi.
Arms rules 2016 the complete act. Which publisher available. The book needs to give full details of each aspect mentioned
Rgds
You can...
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Last post by Vineet
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:14 am
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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RKBA
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Last post by Josephroy
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Last post by andy_65_in
Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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General ramblings
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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New Ruskie babe
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dev » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:25 pm
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For all those who wanted to know...
Got the IZH bAIKAL 46 M from mac1 today. Technically it was dispatched on the 22nd from The USA. Got the customs...
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Must be a misunderstanding as it doesn't make business sense otherwise. The Baikal pistols are getting rare due to supply problems from the Baikal...
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Last post by dev
Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:08 pm
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carrying spring from abroad
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ronish » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:40 am
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has anybody carried an airgun spring as personnel baggage from abroad??? is there any restrictions on that?/
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A spring is a spring is a spring.... there are no restrictions on the imports of springs. You can mail order one if you wish...
Cheers!
Abhijeet...
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Last post by ronish
Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:39 pm
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Zeroing for CF-x
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tirths » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:21 pm
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Hi,
Here is the test I have made after the zeroing done.
Range: 15 meters
Sight: Open
Support: Sand Bag
Result
Do you think, it is comparable...
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i think a rupee coin is All India Scale Reference
but you should measure the longest CTC distance , not the shortest
if the pic was of a 5 shot group...
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Last post by Zafar
Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:12 am
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barrel-droop
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tirths » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:29 pm
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Hi All,
Not sure how many of you have this problem with your gun. I am unlucky to have this problem with my CF-X.
Here is the link explaining this...
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There are quite a few long barreled break-barrel air-rifles that have a bit of barrel droop. So long as the barrel latches firmly there's nothing to...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:39 pm
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.177 Pellets in Chennai?
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tirths » Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:16 pm
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Where can I get good .177 pellets in chennai? Direction to reach will help.
Any idea on pricing too?
-Tirtha
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Thanks guys!
I have check with both.
Pandyan asked me to visit his house today after 3 pm. Also he is interested to see my gun ;) His is quoting...
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Last post by tirths
Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:11 pm
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Bangkok Gunshop
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browning » Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:06 pm
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I was going to Bangkok and would like to bring back some pellets. I will be staying in the Siam area. Could you please tell me a close-by gunshop....
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chennai custom seems to be a hard proposition for shooting sport lovers. until now i heard bringing an airgun was impossible but even pellets are a...
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Last post by Zafar
Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:21 pm
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Need help in Disassembling a Model Gun ?
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ashkalra » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:45 am
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Hello,
I recently acquired a PFC Model gun from Japan, it is a MGC manufactured Colt 1911 used Model gun based on
linked short-recoil CP-HW blowback...
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Ashish
assuming that it works like real thing here is a link which you might find helpful
assembly/ disassembly
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Last post by mashh1
Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:12 pm
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Hard Case for AIRRIFLE to carry as checkin baggage
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David » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:51 pm
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Hi
Can any one give me what type of Gun Case I should buy if I am carrying HW77K as a Checked in Baggage.
I tried to check with my Air Lines ( BA...
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Hi,
when i was importing my airgun from munich, germany, the airlines asked me to pack it separately in a hard case. I got mine in a plastic hard...
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Last post by browning
Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:42 pm
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Improving the IHP 25 and 35 stock Trigger
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fantumfan2003 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:42 pm
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Hi Abhijeet, Mack The Knife and all other gun experts.....
I found these links on the net
I have not seen a stripped 35 or 25 but...
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Got you..Thanks for the info...
M
Here is an interesting link, where the trigger weight is reduced on a Daisy 853 from around 5.5 lbs to around...
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Last post by fantumfan2003
Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:17 am
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V-Mach DIY kit ( FAC version )
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David » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:35 pm
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Hi
I heard that we need to have a English Firearm certificate even just to buy a V-Mach DIY kit ( FAC version ) . Appreciate if any one in UK who...
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Hi thanks for that information. I wasn't aware that even if some one gets and pass it on to other. IF so I would prefer to get it from India rather...
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Last post by David
Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:32 pm
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In search of an air rifle....
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rosariowinifred » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:07 pm
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Dear members. rosario here again an begginer from chennai. today i started my search for an purchase of a airrifle. i took the address of delears in...
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Welcome Rosario.
Ive sent you a PM please do check.
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Last post by snIPer
Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:23 pm
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Shipping Help
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browning » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:53 pm
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I am importing a Diana 460 magnum in .177 from munich, germany. I was having some problems in shipping it, the german post accepted it then gave it...
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Browning,
One of our members used to live in Germany, Munich as it so happened, and if I am not mistaken he had told me that paperwork is required...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:56 pm
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Last post by diskaon
Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:28 pm
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UTA Airrifles
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snIPer » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:57 pm
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Hi,
Has anyone used any UTA airrifles????
I just saw one in a shop recently. Asking price is around 4k for a mod 35 .22
The chap says that its an...
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Thats sad, i thought that finally IHP was getting some local competition but seems that its not so.
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Last post by snIPer
Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:08 am
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Interesting read.....
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Hunter » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:19 pm
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Good link for all .25 cal.fans!
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Rajiv,
There are easier ways to get an illegal firearm in India than resorting to first buying an air rifle and then converting it to a rimfire....
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Last post by penpusher
Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:25 pm
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Repair Crosman 1377 Classic in Bangalore?
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Mo » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:58 pm
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Hi Guys!
My Crosman 1377 Classic .177 Pistol is dead!
It does not pump anymore. The lever just moves without any resistance. I contacted Crosman...
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Sure thing Mark. I'll take the pics and send it to him tomorrow.
Will he recognise you by name?
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Last post by Mo
Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:55 pm
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Restore an old air rifle
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fantumfan2003 » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:16 am
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I have been given an old air rifle which is rusted and not in a very good condition.
I think its a Milbro in 4.5mm
I have a couple of pics
I want...
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I don't think one gets an e-mail or PM notifying one that the thread has moved.
Your query deals with a branch of gunsmithing and hence the shift.
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:04 pm
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Diana 35, the old classic
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by shahid » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:09 pm
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My latest Air Rifle is once again a Diana Model 35 in .177 calibre.
Will be bringing it to India tonight. I looked for an HW 80 in .177, not...
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You can find class definition of Toy Weapon.
Tirtha
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Last post by tirths
Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:34 pm
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Postage costs from Uk
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Lloyd » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:50 pm
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As requested here are prices on various weights of packages from Blackpool Air Rifles in the Uk (
Anything up to 2kg can be sent by Royal mail...
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thanx lloyd
-sanjiv
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Last post by biking3819
Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:45 am
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Which is the most powerful .177 Air Rifle
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mittu_in » Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:32 am
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Hi All,
I am in search of the most power .177 air rifle. And in my opinion the most power and long range .177 air rifle is Evanix Hunting Master AR4...
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Anything supersonic in airguns will be extremely inaccurate. And the effective range is also determined by the terminal energy. So you will have to...
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Last post by Ranjeet Singh
Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:14 am
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My requirements
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anupkkumar » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:49 am
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Hi All,
I want an air gun for self defense. Could you please let me know which model can i take as am new to this field? My budget can be around...
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Bhai, go thru the forum topic it is the last entry down in the page Shooting Clubs & Associations in India, you will find something. If you still...
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Last post by rishudhawan
Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:02 pm
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Confused ..help me out
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Sandeep Jadhao » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:27 pm
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Dear All,
I need your advice, I am confused
I want to buy an air rifle(.22 ) with scope whose shooting range should be 50-100mtr(whether Indian...
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try mac1airgun
will let you know few other sites
Cheers
Sid
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:31 pm
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Which is the most accurate break barrel in 10M category
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to_saptarshi » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:05 am
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Hi Friends,
I am planning to participate in a 10M corporate match and I need your expert advise on deciding a Match Grade Accurate air rifle for it,...
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Congratulations! It's a lovely gun, I used to have one a few years ago.
GG
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Last post by GasramGandu
Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:50 pm
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Diana Mod 300R,46,52
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chattron » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:37 pm
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Hello Guys,would like some advice n comments from the Gurus regarding the above Diana mod 300R,46,52 air rifles.How do these fare in comparison with...
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Hello Guys thanks for the suggestions.I must have somehow missed out on the earlier posts on these anyways have gone through them now.I have some...
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Last post by browning
Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:06 pm
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Relation between CO2 cylinders and pellets
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Sujay » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:21 pm
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Cylinders and pellets are easily available in Mumbai.
If you are interested I can ask around in Mumbai if more are available. What is your budget?...
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Hello guys here is link to pics of Avanti 888 medallist rifle and CO2 cylinder:
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Last post by chattron
Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:28 am
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Opinions on the IHP Pneumatic .177
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fantumfan2003 » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:17 pm
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Hi Friends
Any reviews or user opnions on the IHP Pneumatic .177 ?
At 7000/- plus S &H it looks like a reasonable deal
The IHP website says 10mtr...
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ROTFL ROTFL
Thanks for the link AND the compliment :D
All right you are a persistent chap who cant seem to find the search function - chk out...
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Last post by fantumfan2003
Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:49 pm
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Diana RWS 54 or the Diana RWS 350 Magnum or a national
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hsohail » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:22 am
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guys
i have an option of getting a diana 54 or diana 350 or a national.
which one would u guys go for?
i liked the 54 coz its a recoilless...
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I was quoted for 65k in chennai India
Gsmith (Pune) quotes 48k for the 54 AirKing...
i assume the cost is high in india due to the shipping cost...
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Last post by Mo
Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:16 am
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Hi People, Just Registerd
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zaheerdavid » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:02 pm
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Hi Experts/Vetrans/Newbies
I just joined IFG, amazed at how many people there are here who love guns of all types. Welll, i cant exactly say i am...
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I wish it was that easy buddy, I clean the exterior of the scope almost 2 times a month just the way you said. Sadly its the mildew/fungus or watever...
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Last post by zaheerdavid
Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:05 pm
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DO YOU KNOW THIS GUY ?
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Weihrauch Fan » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:51 am
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Dear colleagues,
I hope many of you know Mr.Gary Barnes-the Mozart in the Airguning.
For those who don't know him,please have a look at the site...
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That's right,
He declares that he not refuse to take new orders,just pospond them :?
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Last post by Weihrauch Fan
Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:13 pm
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Last post by Weihrauch Fan
Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:59 am
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Airgun velocity
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ebenezer » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:18 pm
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Hi all,
I picked a .22 Jimy under lever air rifle from a dealer in Chennai for 6K. He claims that its effective range is 100 ft. and is bound to...
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My experience shows that the springers properlyy stared and prepared fo fire givis the maximum perfomance sinse the first pellet.
Wrong practicy is...
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Last post by Weihrauch Fan
Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:45 am
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Advice on Air Rifle / Spring / Washer :
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David » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:04 pm
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Hi All ,
I am glad to be a member in this group. This is David...
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Not sure about the aftermarket washers and stuff. Have had some good experiences dealing with Asian Armoury. Try contacting Ayaz out there. He might...
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Last post by Prabhath
Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:06 pm
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Need Help
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Sandeep Jadhao » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:17 pm
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Dear All,
I am new to these field and planning to buy new air gun and so I visited gun shop and he told me IHP35(.22 ) is best Indian Rifle. So it...
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Welcome aboard Sandeep.
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Last post by Prabhath
Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:02 pm
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DAYSTATE AIR WOLF .22 REVIEW
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///M3Nirvana » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:32 am
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I want to share my honest findings and my review, is by no means, meant to hurt the current owners of the Airwolf PCP. I have posted this review on...
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Thanks for the lovely write ups ///M3Nirvana. It was a pleasure reading them.
Do let us know how the gun is once you get it back from its repairs....
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Last post by snIPer
Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:48 am
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Last post by kanakrohit
Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:47 pm
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DIY - Software Chronograph
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GasramGandu » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:46 pm
This seems like a good solution for those that do not have access to a real chrony. I'm not sure how accurate this is but there's no harm in trying....
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Last post by GasramGandu
Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:46 pm
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Introduction and Rifle review no. 1
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///M3Nirvana » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:19 am
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Hi guys I am new here. My real name is Vikram and I live in Chicago. My hobbies and sports include sky diving, speed skating and airgunning. I love...
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We have few members from Chicago and they go out for shooting once in a while. You can check their posts on the forum. Thanks for the write up. Its...
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:52 am
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Scoped my new Steyr LG 110 ft
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///M3Nirvana » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:39 am
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For this one I chose Bushnell's new 4200 Elite 6-24X50 Tactical. It is not yet listed in Bushnell's catalog but Optic Zone has them. They have the...
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Thanks for sharing
Best
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:47 am
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Last post by ///M3Nirvana
Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:47 am
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Anschutz Sport Air Rifle
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Prabhath » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:58 am
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Members,
Here's info on the Anschutz Sport Air Rifle. Didn't know that Anschutz was into sport air rifles all these days. Looks like a quality...
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Err... the sport air rifle on the link provided is not suitable for 10m events.... it shoots 4.4 mm lead balls and not 4.5 mm diablo pellets. More of...
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Last post by mundaire
Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:51 pm
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Import Policy Clearification.
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TEJINDER S WAHI » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:15 pm
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sir,
will you be kind enough to shed some light on the subject,
as of now no custom duty.
but what about import policy ie........ need mebbership...
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Now what happens to the friendly neighborhood scalper :lol: Good news.Hopefully the govt. will do something about the import of firearms too.
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Last post by penpusher
Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:53 pm
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Air Rifle Stripdowns
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Mo » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:02 pm
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Click here!
It'll be nice if you can add links to other stripdowns as well. Once we have a formidable list, this can be made a sticky.
Mo.
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Wow!!
We do have a network huh?
Yikes!! So when Mack The Knife put his SR up for sale (as far as I understand, India isn't the easiest place in the...
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Last post by Mo
Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:23 pm
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Visiting Chandigarh
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kardar » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:38 am
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Hi guys
I am visiting Chandigarh for a couple of months. I had thought of bringing my IZH46M with me for practice from Toronto but then decided...
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Hi guys
I am visiting Chandigarh for a couple of months. I had thought of bringing my IZH46M with me for practice from Toronto but then decided...
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Last post by browning
Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:23 pm
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Daisy training gun
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snIPer » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:15 pm
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Hi All,
This is a daisy training gun, Been in the family for many years now.
Still works fine.
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All it says is
Daisy Number 960
Old Trusty Training Rifle
and the address below it.
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Last post by snIPer
Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:22 am
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Well done Weihrauch!
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Mack The Knife » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:16 pm
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A little over a month back the circlip holding the underlever catch assembly broke and as a result the underlever could not be locked shut though you...
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Since ol rusters at times writes Shakespeare like english there is a possibility that customer care at weihrauch could have misunderstood what he...
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Last post by sat
Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:11 pm
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Rifle Modification by Novice - ME
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advitiyas » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:33 am
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Hello Frds,
I was just thinking of making a carbine out of my air rifle, my basic idea is explained by these photos. pls suggest me if it is good to...
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Found the following handy article on the Crosman forum on home crowning an airgun barrel -
Quite simple if you follow the steps outlined...
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Last post by mundaire
Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:30 pm
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Marksman 1010c repeater
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LeoDude » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:37 pm
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I just discovered an Air Pistol that I had bought several years back in the US. It is a MARKSMAN 1010c Repeater.
The 1010 can feed bb s through an 18...
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Quality wise this one should win hands down from the pics atleast. The aimco model I've seen is of 'OK' standards.
regards
8)
OUP
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Last post by OverUnderPump
Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:30 pm
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First time Airgun purchase - National 35 .22
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LeoDude » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:54 am
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Hi,
I just joined this forum recently and made my first purchase after that.
I happened to visit Cochin for a personal visit and I visited T. Jacob...
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Hey Leodude, thanks for answers. I am so looking to get my hand on my own National 0.177. I will give that guy a dose of *&%$* tomorrow.
But I am...
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Last post by advitiyas
Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:37 pm
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Req - Availability of under lever air rifle in lucknow
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advitiyas » Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:05 pm
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Hello Dear IFGians,
I want to find if there are any senior mems from Lucknow or Kanpur who can pass me any information about buying a good air...
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Nice to hear from u Vivek n that u r from lucknow we may have some interACTION sometime. I went to that shop its Raj Arms Co.. The price quoted for a...
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Last post by vivek009
Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:04 am
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Availability of National Air Rifles(IHP) in Bangalore
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Prabhath » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:13 pm
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Members,
FYI: National Air Rifles in .177 and .22 will be available at Asian Armoury, Bangalore starting 31/1/08. The contact person is Mr. Ayaz....
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Hi,
There is bound to be a price difference between the authorised dealers and other dealers of IHP Products.
Best would be to write to IHP and...
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