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The legal aspects of owning, shooting, importing arms/ ammo and other related legal aspects as well as any other legal queries. Please note: This INCLUDES all arms licensing issues/ queries!
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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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RKBA
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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being a lawyer myself, only one advice, signing online petitions does not work in our legal system and for a petition before any court current 'court...
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Last post by gurbirsinghdhillon
Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:35 pm
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Last post by pistolprince007
Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:36 pm
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New Arms Rules 2016 notified by Government of India!
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mundaire » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:33 pm
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Please see the attachment (English version).
For those of you who are not members here you can directly click on to view/ download the file without...
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Hi.
Arms rules 2016 the complete act. Which publisher available. The book needs to give full details of each aspect mentioned
Rgds
You can...
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Last post by Vineet
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:14 am
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Last post by Josephroy
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Last post by andy_65_in
Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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Mumbai carry
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Novus Collectus » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:43 am
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Fist, condolences from the USA to you in India for the terrible attack and our hearts are with you.
This attack has raised some questions about...
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Those who hurled the grenades and used the AK 47s were of course not valid lisense holders, but terrorists who get in guns across the border.
Its not...
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Last post by TenX
Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:26 am
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Last post by TenX
Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:20 pm
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GAS RELEASED!!!
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by ai » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:54 pm
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I'm delighted to inform all at IFG that an import made for 12g CO2 capsules has concluded successfuly.
A shipment of 100 capsules was sent to me...
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I find it curious as there are seltzer bottles still being manufactured and sold here, this was the first google hit:
I even have a couple of...
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Last post by Mark
Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:02 am
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Reminton kit/ barrels
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james » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:40 pm
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One of my friend is buying Reminton pump action 12 bore , he is getting a gun with two barrel i.e 20 inche and 30 inche with ventilated ribs , is it...
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As Marksman and others have pointed out, it is both legal and quite normal to have a gun with more than one barrel endorsed on your license. The...
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Last post by mundaire
Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:35 pm
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lock up period for IOF revolver
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Black Mamaba » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:36 pm
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hi please tell me what is lock up period of IOF .32 revolver as i bought one this month only if i want to change it n wana buy some other handgun...
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IOF .32 revolver as i bought one this month only
BM,
You obviously must have done a little research and reading up and must have talked to a few...
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Last post by The Doc
Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:42 pm
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Discharging a firearm without a valid license
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snIPer » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:07 pm
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Hi all,
Was just wondering what the legal take was on discharging firearms that are owned by friends and relatives.
Scenarion - a chap has no...
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Airgun!!! whoa, i thought he was talking about changing the shot in a 12 guage shell with pepper.
This post topic is - Discharging a Firearm.... not...
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Last post by snIPer
Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:55 pm
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old gun to be exported to US
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archer » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:46 am
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Hey guys,
A doctor friend of mine lives here in Los Angeles. His father owned a gun which has been in his family for the past 80 years or so. his...
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There might be another hurdle if you get clearence to export it from India. That is importing to US. Again its far more easier to import it through...
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Last post by Novus Collectus
Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:57 am
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body armour illegal??
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R-Dhillon » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:49 am
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Hey people,
I was thinking of placing an order for a few things on the net...They are--
Body armour level-IIIA.
Self defense knives.
Pepper spray....
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I really wanna order the body armour and the 65 lb draw recurve...I think I'll just go for it...
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
Oh my my ! Whats so urgent...
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Last post by Kim
Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:58 pm
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quota for ammo
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colthead » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:04 am
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dear friends
as i am keen on trap shooting and the ammo quota on my licence is 50 rounds at any time and max 250 in a year
how does one get the...
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can the 10/25 quota on handgun license also be increased?
Parag
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Last post by paragvns
Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:53 pm
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sale of weapons
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archer » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:36 am
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If i am not wrong, once your licence has been issued, you are supposed to buy your weapon within 6 months or you are supposed to extend that period...
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hello ashar
in theory your licence is valid for the period it was issued usually 3 years, that means your permission to purchase a weapon is upto the...
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Last post by sudhaiob
Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:36 pm
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Is it possible to buy a Walther P22 In India
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amit_sharma86 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:47 pm
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Is it possible to buy a Walther P22 In India because it is not a 9 mm. So is it really possible to buy a walther p22 in India.
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Amit, i had seen this pistol for sale in mumbai 2-3 yrs back.it was with Banson arms.he was asking 3 lacs for it.even i found it ammo sensitive.god...
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Last post by ravizz
Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:24 pm
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Importing a sword...
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TenX » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:05 pm
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Hello all...
I found this website which has some collection of swords of all types.
Some of the swords are pretty cheap too...
When I...
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Thanks... got a good amount of info in the links SSS had provided... :)
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Last post by TenX
Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:57 pm
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IIIrd Weapon Inclusion
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HydNawab » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:40 am
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Hi Guys
I have two weapons included on my arms license.One is a 12g shotgun and another is a NP bore pistol/revolver.I am a renowned shooter in...
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in u.p. if u apply for three licences for three different category of firearms ,police verification and other formalities for the same are done once....
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Last post by bullshitwalks
Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:22 am
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Concealed or open carry
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Novus Collectus » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:26 am
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Hi, I have been trying to search old threads before I asked this, but I ended up confused.
Is open or concealed carry of a handgun legal in India...
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Thanks for the information Mundaire. I find it interesting that it is easier to get a concealed carry license in India than it is to get one in my...
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Last post by Novus Collectus
Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:13 am
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Monkey Menace
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Shamsher » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:52 pm
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Dear All,
Monkeys !! that's what i think about most of the time. They ruined my kitchen garden, bit my dog & broke a few lights & pipes around the...
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Wish there was some thing available for both the dogs and monkeys .Where I stay a pack of 10-12 dogs bark the entire night and just don't let you...
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Last post by art_collector
Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:15 am
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Authority Letter for carrying Arms for Repairs
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james » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:20 pm
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MY Close friend had got written order in his name for taking his revolver for reparing from kolkata to kanpur , the order is valid for 7 days , being...
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Attach a copy of the section along with it.
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Last post by badshah0522
Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:28 am
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MANDATORY TO REGISTER ARMS IF YOU CHANGE RESIDENCE
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hock ann » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:03 pm
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Vide-GOVT OF INDIA / MINISTRY HOME AFFAIRS--Letter No-V-11026/8/89-Arms, dated- 4.7.1989. to all
State Govt / U.T.Administrators).
The Sub-rule...
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Ice,
Never thought about this along those lines and I am 99.99% certain that your fears are unfounded.
The only reason for registering with your...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:28 pm
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Import of airgun pellets
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MoA » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:10 am
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If I were to send a friend of mine some pellets i.e. air gun via mail?
Would he get into trouble?
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MoA,
Your friend will be issued a showcause notice from the postal customs and the pellets, irrespective of calibre, confiscated.
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:42 pm
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Purchasing a firearm outside your licensing area
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amk » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:56 pm
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Hi,
What are the intricacies and formalities of purchasing a gun out of my licensing area. Or even out of my home state. I am only asking for second...
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None of this applies if you have an All India Lic,you can but or sell any where,with the permission of the Lic authority that has issed the Lic....
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Last post by icemanV
Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:57 pm
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Good book on Indian laws
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mundaire » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:55 pm
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Just came across an excellent book on Indian firearm related laws, thought I'd share it with others here. It's called Firearms in Criminal...
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Hi Abhijeet
thanks for the link, good books are hard to come by.
however they do not deliver to my neck of the woods.
nagarifle
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Last post by nagarifle
Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:41 am
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Import of accessories/ parts
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james » Thu May 01, 2008 11:34 pm
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websites like brownell ect is ready to send grips, bags ,stocks ,12 bore pistol grip ect via online order ,payment through credit card ,anyone in...
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Yes. I bought the parts too since exporting the firearm for repair will be too expensive and time consuming from India.
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Last post by primerwalla
Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:14 pm
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GOVERNMENT OF INDIA'S ORDERS/DECISIONS ON .22 RIFLES (SA)
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hock ann » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:32 pm
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HI ALL,
SUB-Arms Act & Rules- Semi-automatic .22 bore Rifles-Grant of licence to members of Rifle
Club/Association .
GOI/MHA letter...
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Hi, Mundaire , I am geeting my .22 rifle licence next week , is it possible to legally buy semi by any means ,any notification in arms act to support...
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Last post by james
Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:35 pm
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regarding the endorsement of additional weapon
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saahil » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:59 pm
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hi all
i applied for an additional weapon. today i got a call from the judicial branch that my file has been cleared positively from the SP office...
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Thanks Mack The Knife and Abhjeet.
I have heard that if you apply for sporting purposes then the license granted is restricted for the same, you...
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Last post by amk
Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:21 pm
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provision in arms act
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james » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:49 am
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IS it possible to send firearm out of juridiction area i.e out of state through courier ,if covered by proper order by authority , for repair or can...
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hello
to know more about your query see section 37 and 50 of the Arms Rules 1962 which deals exhaustively on your question. in short it can be done...
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Last post by sudhaiob
Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:39 pm
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BARREL LENGTH shotgun vs rifle
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james » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:08 am
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As per arms act 1962 Shotguns with barrels shorter than 20 inches are also classified as prohibited bore firearms. Is this hold true for rifles or...
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With the same logic a hockey shotgun could be called a hand gun...
afterall Mack The Knife can shoot it with one hand!!! every time I hear the word...
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Last post by diskaon
Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 pm
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Advice needed: License got rejected
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kanwar76 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:53 pm
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Hi Guys,
As some of you know my 12bore license application got rejected recently so my question is
1. Is there any way to appeal against the...
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BTW how goes the WaffenFabrik Bern project? ;)
Hey CC,
Not yet started my friend....work is killing me and sourcing the ingredients in small...
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Last post by kanwar76
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:57 pm
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How much ammo are you allowed in India?
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MoA » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:36 pm
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Just out of curiosity...
How much ammo are you allowed to have per caliber/weapon? How much can you buy?
And those of you who do shoot...
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I have seen a 5000 shot quota on a MP lic.
One doesnt have to go too far,there are members on IFG who have similar limits.In Delhi they are...
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Last post by Risala
Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:49 pm
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DGFT classification of barrel
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by penpusher » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:14 pm
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Does any one have any idea how a tube with rifling but without chambering and thread/lugs which would enable a cartridge to be fired in it, be...
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hi
i have just been thinking about the about the above and the only reason the DGFT would classifies a
tube with rifling but without chambering...
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Last post by nagarifle
Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:24 pm
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transfer firearm permit + gun from usa to india
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joshrain » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:48 pm
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hi folks,
i am an indian citizen living in usa currently.
i would like to know how easy would it be to get a firearm permit in india and can i...
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Joshrain
You can only take one weapon within Transfer of residence (TR)from US. Condition is you must have owned the gun legally ( with valid...
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:26 am
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SERIOUS GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY & DEMAND OF ARMS
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hock ann » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:32 pm
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At present with the liberalised licensing policy envisaged under the new Arms Act, licences for NP bore Revolver/Pistols are being granted liberally...
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Before the British came to India the situation in our country was that in almost every house, there were some Arms. Possession of arms was regarded...
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Last post by hock ann
Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:24 pm
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semi / repeater
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james » Wed May 28, 2008 8:08 pm
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As per my knowledge related to arms act semi auto rifle and repeater guns are not allowed or probhited but there are numerous cases where repeating...
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Atleast i had seen ten ordinary licence in which ,Browning, Bruno , reminton nylone ect all semiauto mostly in .22lr is endosed ,all fall in above...
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Last post by mundaire
Wed May 28, 2008 11:58 pm
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pre 86 laws
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archer » Fri May 23, 2008 5:57 pm
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hey,
import of firearms has been banned since 1986.
what was the situation before that. What kind of weapons could be imported.
thanx
regards...
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Hi saahil
do not worry about ur english, just write and break down the sentence for easy reading. not one big para.
lets have more of ur input.
i...
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Last post by nagarifle
Sun May 25, 2008 10:10 pm
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Can a OCI apply for a gun licence?
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sagar_doon » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:18 pm
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I have a peculiar problem on which no body seems to help me.
I am a British Citizen residing in India for the last 16 years. I applied and later...
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Interesting and inspiring words there... Hock Ann...
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Last post by Olly
Fri May 23, 2008 10:57 am
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inheritance of arms
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doctor » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:38 pm
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my father expired few days back ,he owned two guns for self protection.
i would like to know how can these arms be transfered in my name .
these...
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naga is correct :) my advice now.please dont deposit the guns in a police station as something more than a firing pin would be lost(have seen some...
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Last post by indian
Fri May 23, 2008 8:31 am
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switchblade knives
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gun nut » Tue May 20, 2008 12:46 pm
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There are many switchblade knives (also called button knives ) available here in Mysore. Are they legal to own ? They appear to have been made in...
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Actually, I owned a grand collection of such knives, but lost them all about 11 years ago, when there was a theft in my house.
I would love to...
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Last post by TenX
Tue May 20, 2008 9:53 pm
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Is this legal in India
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diskaon » Mon May 19, 2008 2:53 pm
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Happened to see the pyramid air website.
is the dragon slayer legal to use in india. has anybody ever used it. and what happens to the target...
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It would come under the category of air-rifle , and yes it would count against your 3 arms license limit so in that sense you would be probably...
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Last post by mundaire
Tue May 20, 2008 1:40 pm
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Conditions on taking licensed arms on a journey
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hock ann » Fri May 09, 2008 8:52 pm
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Hello everyone,
WHEN TAKING LICENCED ARMS ON A JOURNEY ---CONDITIONS & RESTRICTIONS TO BE FOLLOWED--------
On 26th March,1990, the Govt of India...
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It's an ill thought out rule (as are much of the gun laws here) - if Mr. A is indeed planning to commit a crime and that too using his licensed gun,...
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Last post by mundaire
Sat May 17, 2008 4:53 pm
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Licence for repeater rifles
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ebenezer » Mon May 12, 2008 5:55 pm
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Hi all,
Has the govt stopped issuing licence for repeater rifles? An armourer in Chennai told me so. He added that repeater rifles had been banned....
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Add a kiss to the Arms Clerk too.
:twisted:
they still insist on using the USRAC 1873 (?) terminology-REPEATER-All because we do not have a...
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Last post by eljefe
Tue May 13, 2008 11:12 am
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HI EVERY ONE
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ABABUJAY » Sat May 10, 2008 10:58 pm
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IS POSSION OF SCOPE ILLEGAL? PLZZ ADVICE?
REGARDS BABU
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ABABUJAY
it is not clear by law .but u can have it for plinking .even i have one for my ihp airrifle
striker
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Last post by striker
Sun May 11, 2008 12:46 pm
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ACCUSED CARRIED GUN OF HIS FATHER
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hock ann » Fri May 09, 2008 9:20 pm
The accused was carrying the gun of his father for the latter's defence and in his presence.Held that the accused was not acting illegally in...
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Last post by hock ann
Fri May 09, 2008 9:20 pm
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Transfer of Arms
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tirths » Tue May 06, 2008 10:27 am
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Friends,
My Father-in-law was owning an imported SB Shot gun ( I don't know the name). Sadly he passed away before he transfered the weapon and the...
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Thanks a lot guys!!
-Tirtha
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Last post by tirths
Wed May 07, 2008 1:36 pm
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CUSTOMS CIRCULAR No.30 Dt-22nd May/2001.
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hock ann » Mon May 05, 2008 3:43 pm
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The under signed is directed to refer to the Ministry's letter F.No.497/57/87-Cus.VI,Dated.5.1.88 . (copy enclosed) on the above subject, wherein it...
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another crappy verdict
YOU CAN DO MORE WITH A KIND WORD & A GUN THAN WITH JUST A KIND WORD :wink:
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Last post by hock ann
Tue May 06, 2008 9:57 pm
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GRANT OF FIRE-ARMS LICENCES.
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hock ann » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:29 pm
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Hi All,
NON-PROHIBITED ARMS --- Applications to be normally allowed :arrow:
The correct interpretation of section-13.14 & 15 of the Arms Act is...
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RIGHT OF APPEAL-DENIED :-As per Section 18 (1) of the Arms Act, 1959 makes provision for appeal by an aggrieved person if :-
(a) his application for...
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Last post by hock ann
Sun May 04, 2008 9:21 pm
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Last post by hock ann
Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:24 pm
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PUNISHMENT FOR USING ARMS, ETC..
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hock ann » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:44 pm
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(1) Who ever uses any arms or ammunition in contravention of section 5 shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than...
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Order requiring all licencees to deposit their arms & ammunitions with the licence in the nearest police station is illegal.
KUSHA CHANDRA SHARMA v....
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Last post by hock ann
Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:44 pm
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Clarification needed
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ebenezer » Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:36 pm
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Hi all,
There is this query in the arms licence application: Is anyone else in the family is in possession of a firearm? If the answer is yes, can...
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Friends
can a member of district rifle club can go as a guest member for home state rifle club or other state rifle club for practice ie use the...
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Last post by striker
Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:57 pm
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Last post by hock ann
Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:53 pm
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ARMS CASE LAW ON:-DEATH BY ACCIDENTIAL FIRING
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hock ann » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:13 pm
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Mr. A , went to the house of Mr. B, who was engrossed in a drinking bout. the latter, being quiet respectful and hospitable to the former, offered...
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never drink with a lonely man?
for everybody it should be Never Drink, not even alone
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Last post by Zafar
Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:15 pm
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transportation via railways
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james » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:48 pm
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Do we need to declare arms while transporting it via railways , as declared via air , The situation being buying new arms from other state covered by...
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I don't think we are required to declare while carrying own firearms.....
We can always produce the license / permissions if asked by any railway...
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Last post by nm
Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:08 pm
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Do we need licence to purchse CROSS BOW ?
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hock ann » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:30 pm
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Dear members,
Hello, i wanted to know if their is any import licence required for importing CROSS BOW to India ? and do we require licence to...
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Hi OP
100% agree with u on self defence. if used for defence it would include legal battles.
so xbow is used for sporting purpuse only. thats that....
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Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:02 pm
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