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.22 Rifle - Trying to get more info

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:31 am
by conty1
My dad recently purchased a .22 rifle from a friend. He mainly bought it because he has used it and likes it. But now he wants a scope on it. Please look at the pictures and tell me if there are mounts that will fit the 2 holes there are.

I'll appreciate any other information on the weapon as well... if anybody knows anything about the gun or the company!!

This is the only writings engraved on the gun "THE MANNLICHER FIRAMS NEW HEVENS.CO.U.S.A. EST 1870."

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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:56 am
by cyrixoutside
hi,

your rifle does not seem to have groved reciever so spoce mounting my require some type to custom base. Also the engraving on the rifle also looks a bit suspicious to me.

THE MANNLICHER FIRAMS NEW HEVENS.CO.U.S.A. EST 1870."

i am not sure but i dont think such a manufacture actaully existed.

anyway if its a true MANNLICHER the a side mount will need to be made to fit a scope.

:)

rajat

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:49 pm
by mundaire
This topic has been moved to "Rifles".

In the future please make that extra effort to figure out which forum is the most appropriate (for the topic you are posting on) and post accordingly.

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:07 pm
by conty1
I did some google on MANNLICHER firearms and turns out JFK was killed with a MANNLICHER Rifle.... :shock:

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:50 pm
by mehulkamdar
Conty1/Rajat,

The rifle may have been sold under the "Mannlicher" name as some trader in the USA may have registered the name as a trademark. For example, the "Luger" name here is owned by Stoeger Industries as they rushed to copyright it for the US in the early 1900s. Unless it was made by Steyr- Mannlicher, Steyr Daimler Puch or Breda, it would not be a genuine Mannlicher rifle.

The holes on the side are almost certainly gas vents, not scope mount holes. Mounting a scope would require the receiver to be drilled and tapped, not a good idea when it is a split one. And not an easy job either - not worth the cost for an old rifle especially when you consider the risk of it getting damaged. In any case, why do you really need a scope on a 22 lr?

The Mannlicher used to assassinate Kennedy was a 6.5 mm Italian service Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, not considered a very good design at all. You get military surplus Mannlicher Carcanos on sale all the time for about $ 100 to 150 at gun shows in the USA. I don;t know the design very well, but from what I do know, it is considered by many experts to be a bad design because it had only one locking lug. That was why the 6.5mm Italian service roundwas a weak one with very poor performance. That said, yes, it did count for the life of one of the USA's most popular presidents.

Cheers,

Mehul

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:01 pm
by Mark
Conty1,


There were several famous firearms makers in New Haven, Connecticut- Winchester, Mossberg, and Marlin to name a few.

Marlin Firearms was established in 1870. Are you sure it says "Mannlicher" and not "Marlin"? It is still understandable, as most if not all gunmakers would have different brandings/labels for different markets.

Have you removed the action from the stock to check for any writing? Marlin bolt action 22's were not serial numbered until 1969 and this one looks older than that (due to no scope mount).

It may be possible to put a scope mount on it if your fatehr really wants it , talk to Mehul about it sometime.

Regards,


Mark