.22lr

[shiraz]

Hi I am in mumbai and have put up my Remington 30.06 for sale,been looking for a lighter calibre and decided on a .22 .saw a bruno but the dealer is quoting 3,00,000 .the gun is as good as new every part like new. And tight. The dealers out here don't give us a choice to fire any rounds. Any other way to check the weapon. I think the price is way too high after reading the comments on the fourum. Any suggestions. Shiraz

[shiraz]

Any ideas on how the Anshutz compares to the bruno and krico.

[ngrewal]

Shiraz

IMHO Anschutz, krico and bruno and the price around Rs3 Lakh is unfortunately going rate you other option and maybe more reasonable one could be IOF .22 and then have it modified by a competent gunsmith do check other forums here on this

Good luck

[The Doc]

Shiraz,

Your Remington 30.06 will fetch you a sizable chunk too and thus dilute the BRNO price. Which model BRNO is it ?

best,
Rp.

[captrakshitsharma]

Yes the Remington 30-06 is a sweet gun and I'd advise you to keep it. Brno is good but anshutz is a top dollar gun.... Don't let go of your Remington , if you have to make sure you get what it's worth for. Go for the Anshutz if the price difference is not huge.

[shiraz]

Thanks guys for the advise the bruno is the model2. I love my remington700 but can't use it anymore otherwise would never sell it. I can use the bruno to atleast do some target shooting. The 30.06 will make the new owner very happy when he buys it
As was I

[xl_target]

A little bit of history about the BRNO .22's:
CZ in Czech (Ceskoslovenska Zbrojovka; often abbreviated as Ceska Zbrojovka) roughly translates to "Czech Arms manufacturer". They added the town name after the CZ so you had entities like CZ UB (Uhersky Brod) and CZ Brno (Brno), etc. These were Govt. facilities so they would be similar to IOF Khadki or IOF Kanpur, etc.

BRNO started making the ZKM452 (model 2) in 1956. About 1967, production was switched to CZ UB, but still stamped "BRNO." Originally CZ putting together Brno made parts, under Brno inspectors. In about 1974, CZ started manufacturing the rifles at Uhersky Brod. I'm not sure when the BRO name was dropped. CZ UB still makes the model 452, though there have been some changes, like the plastic magazine, etc. So technically, what was the BRNO model 2 is still being made. The BRNO model 5 would be similar to CZ's Model 455.

Rifles stamped BRNO are still in demand in places like South Africa and India. In the US there are still a few collectors of BRNO rifles. While CZ makes fine rifles upgraded to use the latest manufacturing methods and better steels, etc. they are considered middle of the road rifles. Increased competition in the USA and the availability of many different makes and models of rifles makes this so. This should not detract from CZ current offerings as they are well made and renowned for their accuracy. There is some recognition, in the US, that the rifles were decent. However today's rifles are made with better materials and manufactured to tighter tolerances.

I can't really comment on prices in India but in the US you can buy a Model 452 Scout for about $300 (brand new). A CZ Model 452 Special Military Training Rifle goes for $395, a CZ 452 Ultra Lux for about $410. These prices are MSRP and street prices would probably be lower. Of course, used .22 LR CZ rifles would be priced lower unless they were a special run or a rare model. Used BRNO .22 LR rifles are not that desirable here. You can but a used BRNO branded ZKM468 for $179. Christies sold a BRNO model 2 with a scope for $135.

A used Anschutz sporting rifle, on the other hand, would go for $800/900 and up. So the desirability and price are significantly higher. Are they that much better as a rifle or does the Anschutz name give them a special cachet? Some people apparently think so and are willing to pay for it. Used BRNO marked centerfire rifles, however, are in demand and some models and calibers would go for several thousands of dollars.

My advice, for what it's worth, would be to get an Anschutz .22 LR instead of the BRNO model 2 if you can make the deal. Please also keep in mind that a 40 year old .22lr rifle in pristine shape quite possibly is refinished and not original (finishwise). As far as the Remington model 700 rifle in 30-06 (in India) is concerned; there would be a huge demand for it. Most likely it will fetch more than a .22 LR rifle. Don't let the dealer hoodwink you. Please let the Capt, Doc and Dr JK guide you in that matter.

[shiraz]

Hi guys well the captain convinced me as well as the dealer who I regularly buy ammo from. My 30 is infact a fine weapon and I am hanging on to it. I did have a rem. 22lr as my first weapon with a plastic mag that kept breaking.got fed and had some fun shooting with my 30 .I was offered 540000 for the 30 and 325 for the. 22 .cheers

[Katana]

Which model of the Rem 700 do you have? Could you post some pics of it?

After the IOF has been in the market, most 'imports' are still lying around with dealers, unsold. The main reason being in the pricing. People have gotten a bit smart with buying a new unused rifle rather than some pimped up 'imported rifle'. Now, shiraz, I do not mean that your rifle is one such, but with dealers transactions being restricted as it is, they quote unbelievably high rates, only to climb down once the deal gets going.

There are also rumours about IOF testing and wanting to put out a .243 Win rifle in the civilian market. If that be true and that IOF does offer it, then again the .30-06 will take a back seat (depending upon ammo availability for the .243 Win.). As it is, ammo for the same has reached those 'imported' prices too. When I bought mine in 2008, the going rate was Rs.85, today I believe the dealers in Bombay ask for Rs.200! Now, what could be the reason for this? Clearly it's the popularity of the IOF .30-06. It was launched in same year and many licensees who had medium calibered guns exchanged them for the IOF.

About buying a .22LR rifle, I would suggest you buy a new IOF, once the new lot from IOF comes to the market, post September. You could even order it directly from Ishapore if you so wish. Costing is supposed to be around Rs.50000/- and that way you could configure it the way you want to rather than buying a reconditioned imported one.

[shiraz]

Hi not sure of the model as the dealer said the should be some alphabets behind the numbers. Not worried though since he was very eager and keen to get the 30 in his hands. My 30 shoots beautifully well balanced and as you said the 30.06 fan club is huge in india. Ammo is expensive in mumbai that's the only restriction for target practice. Will post pics later since I don't know my way through this site. I am using my cell and not my laptop. So pics later cheers

[Katana]

Pretty surprised that you don't know which model your gun is and that you would rely on a dealer to tell you that! Yet you seem to have got an astronomical offer for it?!

What gives?

[shiraz]

I guess the fact it said 700 I presumed was the model. And I was not wrong remington do make a model that is marked as just 700 .they have a few more models besides these which do contain the alphabets including a 700 P for the police. Never went deeper into the history of the model700. Cheers

[shiraz]

As for the offer some 30.06 have even been sold for over 600000 .guess the condition and how it shoots matters to some people .if the dealer was so keen even at my price. ,how much of a profit he would add. ?that too without a scope.though he did want the mounts .I would not have given the scope anyway. Its a leuopold and made in the US