Re: Why we are being victimized
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:01 am
Well said @ Timmy!
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timmy ji, not at all. I'm all for our youngsters, learning to shoot and handle guns safely. Get combat training. participate in shooting events regularly. For a strong India,indians need to develop a healthy gun culture.timmy wrote: Ambi, pardon me, but your argument here mirrors that of opponents to gun rights for the public.
But Timmy sir, these adjectives do represent the basic and necessary characteristics of a society. They don't need statistical evidence. Just hold a poll among IFGians.timmy wrote: The problem with with all of these fine-sounding adjectives is that they are not "reasonable", nor do they represent "common sense."
I submit that if the situation is so bad ( thankfully not so in most of India) that it isn't safe for a young couple to travel by bus at night , or a pair of country girls to step out in the evening without guns, then they shouldn't do so. Discretion is better part of valour. " He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day"timmy wrote: I wonder whether, at those critical moments, it would have seemed common sense to a young couple traveling on a bus at night for their protection to be regulated by the government? Would it have seemed reasonable to a pair of country girls stepping out one evening to apply for a license before they could protect themselves?
But Ambi Sir, My statement did not question what you believed. As this site is founded and run to support RKBA in India, and since you have joined it and have participated here, why should I call your beliefs into question on this matter?Ambi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:25 amtimmy ji, not at all. I'm all for our youngsters, learning to shoot and handle guns safely. Get combat training. participate in shooting events regularly. For a strong India,indians need to develop a healthy gun culture.timmy wrote: Ambi, pardon me, but your argument here mirrors that of opponents to gun rights for the public.
Of course there are legal restrictions on all rights. Since you mention free speech: It is commonly noted that, although we enjoy free speech, we are liable to prosecution if we falsely shout "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater.Ambi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:25 amComing to gun rights; the 'Rights', given in indian Constitution, except, of course Minority Rights, aren't absolute, but regulated by laws (may be different in US). One doesn't need a licence to exercise free speech and to practice religion in India, but unless done so with due care, one will land up in jail.
This statement represents an assumption, not a fact. How can you say that, if RKBA is passed, the Arms Act of 1959 would not be replaced with something else, or amended? It has already been amended in practice by subsequent Arms Acts.So RKBA, even if ENSHRINED in indian constitution will still be regulated by Arms Act 1959.
This is truly an astonishing set of statements by you, Ambi.Ambi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:25 am
I've no objection to my neighbour having a Gun, but I want the assurance, that he isn't a felon, the gun isn't automatic, he is of sound mind, he is trained in handling guns and has a safe place to store them. This assurance is what the Gun Licence issued to him by the government gives me.
I submit that if the situation is so bad ( thankfully not so in most of India) that it isn't safe for a young couple to travel by bus at night , or a pair of country girls to step out in the evening without guns, then they shouldn't do so. Discretion is better part of valour. " He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day"timmy wrote: I wonder whether, at those critical moments, it would have seemed common sense to a young couple traveling on a bus at night for their protection to be regulated by the government? Would it have seemed reasonable to a pair of country girls stepping out one evening to apply for a license before they could protect themselves?
So, you are arguing that IFG should be run by polls?Ambi wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:25 amBut Timmy sir, these adjectives do represent the basic and necessary characteristics of a society. They don't need statistical evidence. Just hold a poll among IFGians.timmy wrote: The problem with with all of these fine-sounding adjectives is that they are not "reasonable", nor do they represent "common sense."