IOF 30-06 Rifle

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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby BJL » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:38 pm

Yeah, wet blanket is correct- the light weight and a short barrel (how long is it?) will contribute significantly to the muzzle flip. The wood works looks far better than that terrible yellow hue I had stuck in my head from those prototype pictures. Maybe a gunsmith can work on the bolt?
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby cottage cheese » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:50 pm

BJL wrote: Maybe a gunsmith can work on the bolt?


It certainly can be worked upon...but what may present a problem is that the finish in the critical areas being so coarse, that polishing/lapping them down to a good surface finish may end up removing too much metal...and perhaps lead to more serious problems like head space issues and bolt chatter...

Maybe Bobby Sidhu can provide a more pragmatic and first hand opinion.
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby Vineet » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:39 pm

BJL wrote:Yeah, wet blanket is correct- the light weight and a short barrel (how long is it?)


It's barrel is 23 inches long.
I was planning to buy IOF 30 06 rifle firstly because it is available brand new and secondly because its price is low as compared to imported 30 06 rifles.But then one day, by chance I happened to visit a gun house in Muktsar with one of my relative as he wanted to buy some cartridges and there was this 30 06 rifle made in U.S model no. 1917 Eddystone for sale. I bought it for 1.83 lakh.I think it's a good deal at that price. What are your views about it?
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby mundaire » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:17 pm

Eddystone .30-06 rifles usually do not command a very high price... I think you could have bargained some more and gotten a better price, however if you are happy with it, that's what really counts! :)

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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby Vikram » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:29 am

Vineet wrote:
BJL wrote:Yeah, wet blanket is correct- the light weight and a short barrel (how long is it?)


It's barrel is 23 inches long.
I was planning to buy IOF 30 06 rifle firstly because it is available brand new and secondly because its price is low as compared to imported 30 06 rifles.But then one day, by chance I happened to visit a gun house in Muktsar with one of my relative as he wanted to buy some cartridges and there was this 30 06 rifle made in U.S model no. 1917 Eddystone for sale. I bought it for 1.83 lakh.I think it's a good deal at that price. What are your views about it?


If I am not wrong this rifle is made by Remington based on a P-14 action, which is again a modified Mauser action by Enfield.Could you please post a picture of the rifle whenever you can? I am very curious.The action is a modified Mauser 98 action and is very strong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1917_Enfield_rifle

I have seen a Michael Dickinson .375 HH rifle built on the P-17 action.Looks absolutely gorgeous.No disrespect to the IOF product, but I would bet this Eddystone/Remington rifle is a lot better built rifle.

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http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/ ... l+9&Filter[NewType][]=Rifle&Filter[NewMechanism][]=Bolt%20Action&Filter[Calibre][]=.375%20H%26H%20Mag&Filter[Calibre][]=.375%20H%26H






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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby cottage cheese » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:54 am

Vikram wrote:No disrespect to the IOF product, but I would bet this Eddystone/Remington rifle is a lot better built rifle.



Ah vikram...go ahead and disrespect the IOF charlatans and their peddle-ware... the thick skinned numskulls won't feel a thing. :twisted:

I am willing to be proven wrong.


That's impossible in current circumstances... :)
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby timmy » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:23 am

I would post the pictures themselves, but the size will not do the rifle justice, so I will post links. The Model 720 Remington, the final rifle in the succession of Enfield P14, Enfield 1917, Remington M30 and M30S, is, in my mind, the ideal that any gunsmith would do well to emulate in their attempts to customize this action:

Remington Model 720

Remington 30, 30S, and 720 Rifles, from Frank de Haas

The History of Remington

A customized M720

These actions were big and strong, able to handle the longer 300 and 375 H&H rounds much better than the shorter standard M98 Mauser actions. (Not speaking of Magnum Mausers here.)

One issue is that many American made rifles, including those made by Springfield Armory, Rock Island Armory, Remington, and Eddystone sometimes suffered from inferior steel due to heat treatment issues. This could make the receiver brittle and lead to cracking. In Springfield rifles (M1903), this problem was corrected by implementing a double heat treat process. My understanding is that US Krag, Springfield 1903, Enfield P14, Enfield 1917, and US made French Berthier rifles were susceptible to this problem. I don't know about US made Mosin Nagant rifles in this regard.
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby Vikram » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:05 am

Thanks for the info, Timmy.

I forgot to mention about the evolution of the Remington actions.Considering all this, the Eddystone rifle that Vineet mentioned must be much better than the IOF crop of products and probably well worth the money.Any members have any pics of such a rifle?Would like to see them.Thanks.

CC, I meant as in no offence to the buyers of IOF.You know what I mean. :wink: :wink: :)

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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby eljefe » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:33 pm

so,do we see any plans for an accuracy test at 100m?
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby Vineet » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:08 pm

mundaire wrote:Eddystone .30-06 rifles usually do not command a very high price... I think you could have bargained some more and gotten a better price, however if you are happy with it, that's what really counts! :)


A gun dealer in Ganganagar sold this same rifle to a dealer in Kanpur for 2 lakhs.I believe the kanpur dealer would sell it to customer for not less than 2.20 L. My uncle have this same rifle and a dealer in Sirsa offered 2.50 L for it.I don't think 1.83 L is high price.Also the rifle is in very good condition.

I haven't brought the rifle home yet as some paper work is pending.Hope I will get it by tomorrow evening.My uncle have the same rifle and I am posting its pics

http://s604.photobucket.com/albums/tt12 ... C01249.jpg
http://s604.photobucket.com/albums/tt12 ... C01256.jpg

couple of pics from net

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Cartridge made of steel by Winchester co.
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby TwoRivers » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:25 pm

No Vineet, that's not steel, but copper or a copper alloy with an anti-friction coating. Cheers.
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby z375 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:03 am

with a little careful work it can look like this..the rifle in the picture belongs to an old friend http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/z375/?action=view&current=30-06.jpg&t=1250623766323
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby Risala » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:34 am

Whoever has worked on it has done a damn good job.....
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby z375 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:53 pm

Sanjay wrote:Whoever has worked on it has done a damn good job.....


I'll second that Sanjay, the rifle in question has been extensively sporterized by the owner himself, correctly converted to 5-shot, so there's no protruding underbelly like the original configuration, the Remington-style front sight ramp was born on a wire-cutter and got a etched matte-finish, the bolt handle was cut and straightened to a more pleasing pattern, the follower has been profiled to allow the bolt to close even on an empty chamber, Huber anti-friction match trigger which has replaced the stock trigger (I have one on my .375 H&H and its worth every cent) the barrel is uncut and is all of 25 1/4" long, the stock was crafted out of a American Black Walnut blank and is a real treat to the eyes, this rifle has been bedded by hand and shoots 1 1/4" at a lasered 100 yards, it will be glass-bedded very soon and things should really tighten up after that... :mrgreen: all in all its a real peach to shoot and handles well for a 9.5 pound rifle..
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Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Postby BJL » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:27 pm

Excellent work done on that rifle- what is his background? Is he a professional gunsmith, or just an accomplished tinkerer? You can pass on the congratulations for a job well done.
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