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The legal aspects of owning, shooting, importing arms/ ammo and other related legal aspects as well as any other legal queries. Please note: This INCLUDES all arms licensing issues/ queries!
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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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RKBA
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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being a lawyer myself, only one advice, signing online petitions does not work in our legal system and for a petition before any court current 'court...
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Last post by gurbirsinghdhillon
Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:35 pm
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Last post by pistolprince007
Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:36 pm
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New Arms Rules 2016 notified by Government of India!
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mundaire » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:33 pm
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Please see the attachment (English version).
For those of you who are not members here you can directly click on to view/ download the file without...
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Hi.
Arms rules 2016 the complete act. Which publisher available. The book needs to give full details of each aspect mentioned
Rgds
You can...
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Last post by Vineet
Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:14 am
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Last post by Josephroy
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Last post by andy_65_in
Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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Did I need license
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Sandeep Jadhao » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:44 am
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Dear All,
I am going to buy IHP35(.22 ). Did it need license?
Regards,
Sandy.
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No,you do not need a lic for AR's.
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Last post by Risala
Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:46 am
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HELP
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zaheerdavid » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:37 am
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Hi Experts.
My name is David, 26 Years old, Indian Citizen, Temporary Address in Bangalore, permanent address in Trivandrum, Kerala. No Police cases...
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For starters get in touch with some Bangalore members...
You need the above form and also the police report, in duplicate.Check and down load...
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Last post by eljefe
Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:35 pm
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What are these folx importing??
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shutzen » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:14 pm
:?: HI! While researching - rather advance researching for my anticipated next big bore rifle import I came across some very interesting info I...
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Last post by shutzen
Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:14 pm
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Clarification needed
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archer » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:27 pm
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Hey guys,
I have a doubt n would like you to throw some light. If a person, owning a gun moves to another country for a few years.....then can he...
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Depositing with a dealer should be the best option......but the problem would arise when the licence is due for renewal as in Delhi you have to be...
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Last post by art_collector
Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:02 am
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Somewhat unusual licensing issue
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cottage cheese » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:16 pm
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Gentlemen,
While I squawk a lot about irrelevant technical things, legal issues get my head in a knot.
Here's an odd problem...hoping the seasoned...
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:lol: i thinks its end of the chepter for me.
all the best :lol:
nagarifle
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Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:06 pm
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Is hunting realy prohibited in India?
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cherian.k.k » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:09 pm
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hello
is hunting realy prohibited? i am asking this as i saw writing on kf .22 cartridge for general hunting purpose.i want to show the photo but not...
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i am posting the photo of the kf box
cherian.k.k
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Last post by cherian.k.k
Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:24 pm
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Suppressors on airguns?
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mundaire » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:14 pm
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I have a question for all - as airguns are exempted from the provisions of the Arms Act (as per item no. 1(3) of schedule (ii) OF GSR 991 of the...
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thanks for ur reply.
advitiyas
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Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:00 pm
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Is It Legal To Buy Bullets for Collection Purpose.
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advitiyas » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:11 am
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Respect to Seniors - Lov to Frd
Here is one more wild query. Can anyone (Me) buy Bullets of different makes just as collector's items. I have seen...
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I see various ammo displays at shows and stores here that have various cartridges all setup nicely in a display case. I wonder if its just the brass...
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Last post by HSharief
Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:28 am
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Legal angle DBBL/ SBBL/ pump action
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james » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:35 pm
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From some earlier post it can be inferred that pump action shot gun 12 bore is allowed ,if only dbbl is entered in licence ,is it possible to buy...
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Shaktiman used to make a lever action 12 ga similar to the one Arnold uses in Abhijeet's Avtar.A piece of junk ,though.
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Last post by penpusher
Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:31 am
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Retainership
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damin_clain » Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:17 pm
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Can the retainer purchase arms and ammunition directly or he has to take authority from the licence holder ? Also how does the retainer transfer the...
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HI Abhijeet,
Sorry my bad! It seems that anyone (not just a retainer) can be authorised by the arms license holder to purchase ammunition on his...
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Last post by amk
Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:17 pm
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Semi auto rifle on NPB license
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dj » Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:07 pm
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hello to everyone
this is dj
i am about to recieve my arms permit shortly,so i have a question that
can a person purchase a semiauto .30 rifle is it...
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ALL semi-auto long arms (rifles & shotguns) are classified as PB - therefore they CANNOT be legally entered on a NPB license.
Licenses for all PB...
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Last post by mundaire
Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:31 pm
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Procedure for applying second firearm.
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kanwar76 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:49 pm
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When somebody apply for second firearm, he /she have to again undergo same routine as while applying a fresh license? Same police verification, DCP,...
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They probably just try to give you a psycos examination to see if you are sane i guess :-)
:roll: :roll:
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Last post by kanwar76
Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:52 am
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Discover our Enemies
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ajikappil » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:56 am
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See this.....
Control Arms Foundation India - A Pacifist's ultimate realm !!!!
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They seem to equate AK series smuggled from Yunan, IED's and SMALL ARMS of the military type-already banned for civilian use, to add superfluously,to...
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Last post by eljefe
Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:49 am
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If Firearm is lost/stolen?
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amk » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:45 pm
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Not wanting to hijack my other thread, there was another legal issue I was wondering about.
I have heard from many folks that if a licensed firearm...
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Thanks amk and shutzen
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Last post by hellfire_m16
Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:22 pm
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Indian Arms Licence-Retaining Original Booklet After Expiry
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hellfire_m16 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:08 pm
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Hi Guys,
A small query.
My Arms Licence was renewed from 01-01-2007 to 31-12-2009.
I sold my 0.22 bore rifle In the end of 2007.
I was granted...
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It is not a big Issue ,,same thing happened with me ,,i sold my revolver in Feb 2007 and got 3 month permission to buy another one,,but i was not in...
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Last post by badshah0522
Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:50 pm
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Experts suggest ban on heavy calibre guns due to Maoists
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Rudranath » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:19 pm
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Maoists use legally-made arms
Maoists mostly use legally manufactured ammunition in the State, according to ballistic experts at the AP Forensic...
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Check out the following article on the Naxal problem... He talks of Bastar, but it would be largely applicable to other affected areas as well......
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Last post by mundaire
Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:37 pm
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Schedule 5 animals (vermin)
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kanwar76 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:38 pm
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Where can I find the list of schedule 5 vermin..?
-Inder
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Guys, you've got my thoughts wrong. I eat animals, plants, anything I am allowed to eat. I'll slaughter them for food; I breathe due to necessity,...
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Last post by Vikram
Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:59 pm
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a bypass for import
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saahil » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:33 pm
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hi all
my cousin is a lawyer but he is not a gun lover(unfortunately). once i was discussing the firearm import ban law with him. he adviced me in a...
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i totaly agree with you the order for the ban is an executive instruction which can be challanged in any court and if the court finds merit in the...
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Last post by mundaire
Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:20 pm
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a query
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saahil » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:58 pm
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hi all
i just wanna ask the learned members that is it possible for a diplomat from some other country who is posted in india to keep or import a...
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Diplomatic personnel and home based personnel of Foreign and Commonwealth Diplomatic missions in India,Foreign (career) Consular Officers,Consular...
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Last post by penpusher
Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:29 am
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Law regarding lengthening a barrel
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mundaire » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:11 pm
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While the law is clear about barrel shortening as well as the minimum permissible length for a shotgun etc. I haven't really been able to find any...
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Main things is from will you manage a Long barrel???is it legale to import??????
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Last post by badshah0522
Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:53 am
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scope import info needed
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shutzen » Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:08 pm
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HI! Folx ;) Has any member here imported a rifle scope through courier or parcel? Kindly share your experience I am more interested in this as the...
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bobby bhaiyya please introduce yourself., for all of us to know you better,i can assume you can share good information.
sanjiv
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Last post by biking3819
Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:54 am
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What If...
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kanwar76 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:10 pm
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a person moved between cities in last four years? Can he apply for license in the city he presently in? if yes then what procedure should cops take...
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a person moved between cities in last four years? Can he apply for license in the city he presently in? if yes then what procedure should cops take...
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Last post by kanwar76
Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:17 am
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international gun license
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cherian.k.k » Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:41 pm
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have anybody heard about international license?
cherian.k.k
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I think persons on diplomatic white passports can carry fire arms.
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Last post by diskaon
Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:06 pm
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Magazine Extension Legal Point..
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james » Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:30 pm
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As per Indian arms law,is it allowed to use extended pistol magazine/fabricate extended magazine of any imported pistol.Gunaccessories.com do...
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Calendar year
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Last post by Risala
Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:59 pm
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License for long range Air rifle
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Emery » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:51 pm
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Hi Guys,
I just came across a news from Kolkata, that Govt is making a rule for Long Range Air Rifle.
License for these guns will be compulsory,...
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The manufacturers anyway didn't make very powerful airguns. So it seems strange that they have been spinning this yarn but anything is possible in...
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Last post by dev
Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:41 am
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Import of grips of a pistol
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by penpusher » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:20 pm
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Are the grips of a pistol allowed to be imported through post ?Or is the import banned as they are considered to be accessories of a firearm?...
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Are the grips of a pistol allowed to be imported through post ?Or is the import banned as they are considered to be accessories of a firearm?...
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Last post by The Doc
Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:02 pm
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PIL for airgun pellets.
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kanwar76 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:59 pm
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As you all know we are facing so much problem to acquire pellets for our phoren airguns, dealers are talking through their A$$es when you ask price....
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True what about those who have the potential to get there ? Use mastershot till qualification scores or print better groups with balanced even sized,...
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Last post by shahid
Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:11 am
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Flying with a gun
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mundaire » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:56 pm
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I've signed up on a few newsletters, one of which is the one from www.suarezinternational.com (run by Gabriel Suarez). This month's edition started...
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Abhijeet
I have seen this work at the airport the person was polite, to the point and only in the end he mentioned he worked for Security Services....
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Last post by Sakobav
Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:21 pm
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what does this mean?
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shutzen » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:42 pm
HI! I am posting the customs notification for duty exemption. Can u folx have a dekko and tell me what it means/ ur interpretation of it? the...
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Last post by shutzen
Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:42 pm
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what comes first - the ammo or the firearm?
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shutzen » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:20 am
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HI! I have a peculiar question and have discussed it with various ppl. who have held varied views . Lets have the views /experiences of the mebers on...
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Even if you gun is deposited in safe custody ,you cannot buy ammo.
As long as you license is valid you can ,unless a ban has been imposed on the...
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Last post by penpusher
Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:22 pm
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licensing need for a rifled shotgun
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biking3819 » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:25 am
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Q.)a shotgun with rifled barrels wud need a license application for a shotgun or a rifle?
please advice.
thanx and regards sanjiv
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It could be a 12 Bore Paradox. 12 Bore rifles did also exist in the Blackpowder days before the Nitro Express cartridges drove them to oblivion.
But...
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Last post by shahid
Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:29 pm
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Supreme Court's Ruling on the Right to Emergency Care
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paddy » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:24 pm
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Right to Emergency Care: By Supreme Court
Now, do not hesitate to help people who have met with an accident…
Right to Emergency Care:
The Supreme...
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But thats not the way it is na!!!!
Dunno what the cops hope to get out of this..... or the courts??
why do this?
Why discourage the good...
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Last post by Japalouppe
Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:07 pm
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Private Gun manufacturing factory
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sushila81 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:58 pm
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Does anyone knows of a legal gun or bullets and gun accesories (firearms & not airguns) manufacturing factory or unit that is owned by private...
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OK i will give his number after his permission.Srry.No offence in it but i should speak to him first.
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Last post by badshah0522
Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:55 am
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Is Open Carry allowed in India ?
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HSharief » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:34 pm
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I was wondering if Open Carrying of self defense handguns is allowed in India ? I can understand why someone wouldn't want to do that, not everyone...
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HSharief
You can carry them openly except few ristricted zones.
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Last post by badshah0522
Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:26 pm
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Advice on other state transfere.
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james » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:50 pm
One of my friend wants to transfer his revolver licence issued from the Nagaland in the year 1987.Presently he is settled in Jamshedpur and he wants...
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Last post by james
Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:50 pm
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Pellets traced
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spacetraveller » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:41 pm
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IFG Gurus :?:
A forensic expert can prove that a bullet was fired from a certain rifle by comapring it with another bullet fired from the same...
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Thanks all
That was a lot of info
Spacetraveller
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Last post by spacetraveller
Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:03 pm
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indian meat import laws.
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shooter » Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:37 am
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can anyone please help me.
i want to know if its possible to import meat into india from other countries.(uk.)
what are the laws regarding this....
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thanks spacetraveller.
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Last post by shooter
Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:30 pm
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Arms Laws in Georgia
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Nan » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:04 pm
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The Law of Georgia on Licenses and Permissions provides for 10 kinds of permissions pertaining to arms.
1. Permission to acquire arms (with the...
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thanks a lot. any big game available? mouflon/bear/deer/european moose/boar etc?
is gun hire possible?
cheers
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Last post by shooter
Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:32 am
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Air Pistols
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ianbom » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:08 pm
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Dear All,
I would like to share my experience on this topic.
I own a BLANCA 0.177 calibre Air Pistol, one manufactured in Bangalore. Unfortunately...
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Well, as per the law there is INDEED a provision for acquiring a license for an air-rifle. If one sees Schedule 4 point no.8 then it clearly states...
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Last post by mundaire
Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:10 pm
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Antique/Vintage terms for Weapons-Criteria/Basis
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Yasho » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:42 pm
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Friends,
I want to know when is a weapon(pistol/revolver/gun/rifle) classified as being antique/vintage?
Please enlighten me.
Thank you.
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The usual convention is that an item should be 100 years old to qualify as an antique but as far as firearms are concerned it depends on the...
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Last post by Grumpy
Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:07 pm
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Customs Duty Of Air Rifle
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Lawman » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:07 pm
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If I purchase a .177cal air rifle (import permissible) from airgunbuyer.com or pyramydair.com then what percent (%) of customs duty I have to pay if...
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lol point taken
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Last post by Sid_kapur30
Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:58 pm
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Exporting Arms From India
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kragiesardar » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:12 am
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Saw a real nice Army Navy 12 Bore in Pune on my last visit to India. The dealer said he would arrange for an archeological certificate for export. On...
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Thanks guys. What about larger bore like 300 H&H, 375 H&H, 450 etc. Single or double rifles. Can these be exported. Based on what I have seen on this...
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Last post by kragiesardar
Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:08 pm
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custom duties for import of weapons
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snIPer » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:47 pm
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hi all,
this is a good website for queries on customs (imports)
Regards,
/S/
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Hen pecked bu99er! :mrgreen:
Anyway, now you can show the person who was spreading information to the contrary what the rules on the subject...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:16 am
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arms manufacture liscence
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vishosingh » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:12 pm
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hey guys ,does anybody know how to go about getting an arms manufacturing liscence her in india....
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Sorry dear friend Vishno singh, You can and are allowed only to manufacture 12 bore shotgun only not the handguns or rifles but can be allowed to...
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Last post by dsingh
Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:53 pm
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help wanted for arms transfer
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vrohan59 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:28 am
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dear members,
I need your kind advise on the matter of transfer of arms.One relative of mine is in posession of an M1 carbine,that he would like to...
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Some clarifications are in order.
1.Most M1 carbines in India are semi-automatic.This said,there are some .30 carbines that are fully autmomatic and...
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Last post by cottage cheese
Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:08 am
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The ease of owning illegal guns!!
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mundaire » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:56 pm
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Rs 55K for license to kill in Delhi
Sidhartha Gautam & Manmohan Gupta
CNN-IBN
Posted Thursday , June 07, 2007 at 08:26
New Delhi: How easy is...
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Off course the only way to deal with the problem of illegal guns and crimes committed with them is to place further restrictions on legally held...
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Last post by penpusher
Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:01 pm
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increase in ammo authorisation
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andy_65_in » Fri May 25, 2007 11:27 am
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How can one seek an increase in the ammo authorisation of ones arms licences, mine at current authorise holding only 25 and buying 50 per year.what...
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HI! most DC's ADC's in Punjab have power to enhance capacity upto 500 rounds by themeselves without any certificates
There is no requirement of any...
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Last post by penpusher
Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:20 pm
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Time between licence and purchase
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Sudipto » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:26 pm
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Is there any maximum time between the issue of a licence and purchase of the weapon? I mean, if I don't buy the weapon within a particular time...
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Hi
i need to check on my license, even in delhi i think its now 3 months.I am due for renewal, when i go i can check that out.
Ali
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Last post by sa_ali
Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:35 am
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Requisites for opening an Arms Dealership
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Abhimanyu » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:23 pm
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Hi there,
Its the first time I'm writing into the forum and I'm a newbie on this site. Having gone through some of the earlier posts, I did get some...
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Somehow it never ceases to amaze me that such an importantfacet of import of Air Guns/Pistols, esp. since so many of our Indian Shooters are winning...
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Last post by Abhimanyu
Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:29 pm
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Import of airguns and firearms.
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Mack The Knife » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:27 pm
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I have just received the following SMS from someone at NRAI.
Import open to all participants of NSCC duty free subject to MQS as per 17.6 of match...
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as he is renounced shooter
Considering the situation in India,is that a surprise :lol:
penpusher
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Last post by penpusher
Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:57 pm
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