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The legal aspects of owning, shooting, importing arms/ ammo and other related legal aspects as well as any other legal queries. Please note: This INCLUDES all arms licensing issues/ queries!
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Please sign change.org petition and share far and wide
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mundaire » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 pm
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Humble request to share as far and wide as possible.
Regards,
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While petitions can help raise awareness, they don’t always result in immediate, tangible change. To drive significant impact, consider engaging in...
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Last post by Samuel420
Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:09 pm
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Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:36 pm
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Fri Aug 16, 2024 7:10 pm
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Info regarding Arms Rules 2015 - Message from NAGRI
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mundaire » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:38 pm
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Important information regarding Arms Rules 2015
Dear Friends,
We are writing to solicit your support in ensuring that the upcoming the ARMS RULES...
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This strategy could effectively amplify our voice and potentially create meaningful change. By utilizing digital platforms and social media, we can...
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Last post by Josephroy
Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:25 pm
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 5:27 pm
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Expected code of conduct - MODIFIED
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mundaire » Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:27 pm
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Hi All,
Based on feedback from the membership, as well as much deliberations amongst the moderators here, we have decided to make some (rather...
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I have posted a few times, but no proper introduction. So, I am going to do that now with a set of pictures to boot! :)
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Last post by caracass77
Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:25 pm
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Can I import FN P90
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ssa1980 » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:24 am
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Hi there,
I was wondering if I can take FN P90 (Semi automatic) to India when I move on TR? Thank you.
The PS90 is the civilian legal version....
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SSA1980
You can if you have a license for a semi-auto rifle.Your chances of getting one are virtually nil unless you are the son of a Union...
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Last post by penpusher
Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:58 am
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is it legal to possess edged weapons in india (like swords)
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Bright » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:36 pm
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i am dead passionate about swords and other edged weapons. i would like to know if it is legal to possess them! kindly do share your knowledge...
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Thanks PenuPusher,
I used to think that the length was 3 inches.
Regards
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Last post by eternalme
Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:07 pm
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Last post by msandhu
Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:39 am
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Speargun in India
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Siam Spearo » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:31 pm
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the great website, it is such a headache trying to get info from the customs officials in India, I don;t know how you guys cope....
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Strap operated spear guns are ok in India, you can't use powered ones which uses gas.
the line throwers are ok as well and don't require a license.
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Last post by eternalme
Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:14 am
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Usage of a licensed weapon for practice purpose
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antismuggler » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:59 am
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TenX thanks a lot for the referrals and I got my application form signed way back. However, Mr. Krishna has now said that KSRA is NOT accepting any...
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Hi Antismuggler!
I'm not a guru or anything of that sort, but as far as I know, there is no restrictions for using your weapon other than for self...
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Last post by Ticky
Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:13 pm
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Time between License Renewals reduced?!!??
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Anand » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:24 pm
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Hello all,
First a little history, in August 2007 I had submitted my dad's license for renewal (Due for September 2007 expiry), after it was renewed...
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gents get it in writing, that way they will do the right thing.
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Last post by nagarifle
Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:29 pm
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Time limit for registering new weapon after purchase.
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james » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:02 pm
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As per arms act what is the maximum time limit of registering/ endosing arms in licence on purchase of new weapon. Feedback on the subject is...
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Hello James,
Here in Hyderabad I have heard that it is usually 3 months the first time, 3 months the second time and then 1 month(upto 3 times)....
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Last post by Anand
Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:59 pm
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Use of a weapon for self-defence
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ebenezer » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:57 pm
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Hi all,
Want to know if a firearm endorsed as 'for target practice' in the licence could be used for self-defence. For instance, if a person who...
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I really don't know about the arms act and all its associated rules and regulations dodger.
AMK
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Last post by amk
Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:55 pm
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air travel with a shotgun
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colthead » Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:13 am
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Dear Friends , I have to travel with a shotgun from delhi to mumbai , in view of the red alert in the country , I want to know which airlines permits...
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I dont think there should be any problem with travelling with your weapon by air if you have a valid license, carry permit and a NOC.
Try carrying...
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Last post by HydNawab
Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:56 pm
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Man arrested for firing air pistol!
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by ai » Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:33 pm
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The following occurred in Chandigarh. Any comments? :shock: :?
Youths fire in air, one arrested
Archit Watts
Chandigarh, January 11
Panic was...
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Does Punjab also have this problem like Haryana - of Wine shops remaining open till 1 AM and simply too many of them on every street ?
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Last post by shahid
Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:29 am
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ammo limit
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rao » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:04 am
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hi there,
i am being issued my firearms (revolver/pistol) license shortly.i'll get it in maybe a day or two with validity in the state of Andhra...
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Hi Mack The Knife,raj-i ve got 2 all india arms licences issued from government of manipur.now who can increase the ammo limit on these licences-the...
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Last post by Risala
Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:35 pm
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License Issuing and Use
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snIPer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:51 pm
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Hi,
If one is granted a license for Sport say a 12 bore dbbl. can he carry it around - i mean covered up - to his farm or elsewhere within the legal...
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Prabath is right. Thats a good way to start. Also try your hand on Pistols, Trap @ Skeet too. You never know if you are a natural ace in any of them...
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Last post by TenX
Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:04 pm
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Buying automatic knives online
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dpk » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:50 am
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Are kalashnikov folding knives(automatic) available here in India. I am also looking for folding knives , anyone know where to find them, Im based @...
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Threads merged... members are requested to refrain from starting multiple threads on the same topic.
Cheers!
Abhijeet
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Last post by mundaire
Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:22 pm
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Minimum age for arms licence.
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ssshooter » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:58 pm
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Dear all,
I am new to shooting and am right now shooting in the 10m air pistol event competitively.
I wouid also like to shoot in the .22 and .38...
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yup exactly ;) though I figured it was .38 as a friend of mine uses it.
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Last post by ssshooter
Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:43 am
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Transfering Dad's Gun
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mumbhai » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:55 am
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Hi
My Dad owned a Semi Automatic Pistol .22 Bore beretta, made in 1973 since mid 1970's.
Unfortunately he passed away this year due to a Heart...
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Mumbhai
Dont give up and if possible seek legal help. These are your family heirlooms.
Best of luck
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Last post by Sakobav
Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:49 pm
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One handgun a month law
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Rottmeister » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:00 pm
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A one-handgun a month law is designed to cut off the supply of guns to criminals by limiting handgun purchases...
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No point; it's just my curiosity whether the measure bore any fruit. If you have any info on it, pls share.
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Last post by Rottmeister
Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:18 pm
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Import of riflescope
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happyhunter » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:26 pm
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Dear Messers , Please elaborate on the possibility of importing riflescope from ebay _ possible problems and pitfalls. Is there legal hassles & / or...
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Happyhunter,
This topic has already been covered here
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Last post by penpusher
Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:21 am
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travelling with a 45 inter state
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colthead » Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:52 am
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Dear Friends ,
another doubt of mine that i request all to give their views on ,
if a person has a .45 on a npb licence as from mumbai and we get a...
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Dear Abhijeet
I know 2 Influential people from Mumbai who have licence for .45 - & they always travel inter-state with the 15 day travel permit. So...
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Last post by Shamsher
Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:57 pm
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is it necessary to carry original licence
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colthead » Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:34 am
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Dear Friends , when we carry our hand gun with us is it necessary to always carry our original licence or is it ok to carry a xerox and if needed...
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dear friends ,
thankyou for enlightening me on this
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Last post by colthead
Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:54 am
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Wild Boar & Blue Bull - Declared Vermins
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perazzi » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:48 pm
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One hears and reads about certain states like Punjab / Haryana / Himachal / Madhya Pradesh where wild boar and blue bull have been declared vermins...
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...by the time one is able to prove tht his crops are being destroyed by these animals,the next season crops gets harvested....
.. :) :)
... well...
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Last post by TenX
Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:07 am
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Mumbai carry
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Novus Collectus » Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:43 am
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Fist, condolences from the USA to you in India for the terrible attack and our hearts are with you.
This attack has raised some questions about...
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Those who hurled the grenades and used the AK 47s were of course not valid lisense holders, but terrorists who get in guns across the border.
Its not...
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Last post by TenX
Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:26 am
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Last post by TenX
Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:20 pm
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GAS RELEASED!!!
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by ai » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:54 pm
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I'm delighted to inform all at IFG that an import made for 12g CO2 capsules has concluded successfuly.
A shipment of 100 capsules was sent to me...
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I find it curious as there are seltzer bottles still being manufactured and sold here, this was the first google hit:
I even have a couple of...
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Last post by Mark
Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:02 am
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Reminton kit/ barrels
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james » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:40 pm
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One of my friend is buying Reminton pump action 12 bore , he is getting a gun with two barrel i.e 20 inche and 30 inche with ventilated ribs , is it...
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As Marksman and others have pointed out, it is both legal and quite normal to have a gun with more than one barrel endorsed on your license. The...
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Last post by mundaire
Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:35 pm
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lock up period for IOF revolver
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Black Mamaba » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:36 pm
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hi please tell me what is lock up period of IOF .32 revolver as i bought one this month only if i want to change it n wana buy some other handgun...
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IOF .32 revolver as i bought one this month only
BM,
You obviously must have done a little research and reading up and must have talked to a few...
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Last post by The Doc
Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:42 pm
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Discharging a firearm without a valid license
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snIPer » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:07 pm
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Hi all,
Was just wondering what the legal take was on discharging firearms that are owned by friends and relatives.
Scenarion - a chap has no...
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Airgun!!! whoa, i thought he was talking about changing the shot in a 12 guage shell with pepper.
This post topic is - Discharging a Firearm.... not...
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Last post by snIPer
Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:55 pm
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old gun to be exported to US
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archer » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:46 am
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Hey guys,
A doctor friend of mine lives here in Los Angeles. His father owned a gun which has been in his family for the past 80 years or so. his...
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There might be another hurdle if you get clearence to export it from India. That is importing to US. Again its far more easier to import it through...
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Last post by Novus Collectus
Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:57 am
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body armour illegal??
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R-Dhillon » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:49 am
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Hey people,
I was thinking of placing an order for a few things on the net...They are--
Body armour level-IIIA.
Self defense knives.
Pepper spray....
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I really wanna order the body armour and the 65 lb draw recurve...I think I'll just go for it...
Regards,
R.Dhillon.
Oh my my ! Whats so urgent...
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Last post by Kim
Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:58 pm
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quota for ammo
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colthead » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:04 am
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dear friends
as i am keen on trap shooting and the ammo quota on my licence is 50 rounds at any time and max 250 in a year
how does one get the...
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can the 10/25 quota on handgun license also be increased?
Parag
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Last post by paragvns
Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:53 pm
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sale of weapons
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archer » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:36 am
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If i am not wrong, once your licence has been issued, you are supposed to buy your weapon within 6 months or you are supposed to extend that period...
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hello ashar
in theory your licence is valid for the period it was issued usually 3 years, that means your permission to purchase a weapon is upto the...
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Last post by sudhaiob
Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:36 pm
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Is it possible to buy a Walther P22 In India
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amit_sharma86 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:47 pm
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Is it possible to buy a Walther P22 In India because it is not a 9 mm. So is it really possible to buy a walther p22 in India.
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Amit, i had seen this pistol for sale in mumbai 2-3 yrs back.it was with Banson arms.he was asking 3 lacs for it.even i found it ammo sensitive.god...
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Last post by ravizz
Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:24 pm
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Importing a sword...
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TenX » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:05 pm
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Hello all...
I found this website which has some collection of swords of all types.
Some of the swords are pretty cheap too...
When I...
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Thanks... got a good amount of info in the links SSS had provided... :)
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Last post by TenX
Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:57 pm
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IIIrd Weapon Inclusion
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HydNawab » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:40 am
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Hi Guys
I have two weapons included on my arms license.One is a 12g shotgun and another is a NP bore pistol/revolver.I am a renowned shooter in...
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in u.p. if u apply for three licences for three different category of firearms ,police verification and other formalities for the same are done once....
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Last post by bullshitwalks
Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:22 am
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Concealed or open carry
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Novus Collectus » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:26 am
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Hi, I have been trying to search old threads before I asked this, but I ended up confused.
Is open or concealed carry of a handgun legal in India...
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Thanks for the information Mundaire. I find it interesting that it is easier to get a concealed carry license in India than it is to get one in my...
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Last post by Novus Collectus
Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:13 am
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Monkey Menace
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Shamsher » Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:52 pm
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Dear All,
Monkeys !! that's what i think about most of the time. They ruined my kitchen garden, bit my dog & broke a few lights & pipes around the...
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Wish there was some thing available for both the dogs and monkeys .Where I stay a pack of 10-12 dogs bark the entire night and just don't let you...
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Last post by art_collector
Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:15 am
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Authority Letter for carrying Arms for Repairs
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james » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:20 pm
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MY Close friend had got written order in his name for taking his revolver for reparing from kolkata to kanpur , the order is valid for 7 days , being...
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Attach a copy of the section along with it.
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Last post by badshah0522
Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:28 am
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MANDATORY TO REGISTER ARMS IF YOU CHANGE RESIDENCE
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hock ann » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:03 pm
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Vide-GOVT OF INDIA / MINISTRY HOME AFFAIRS--Letter No-V-11026/8/89-Arms, dated- 4.7.1989. to all
State Govt / U.T.Administrators).
The Sub-rule...
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Ice,
Never thought about this along those lines and I am 99.99% certain that your fears are unfounded.
The only reason for registering with your...
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:28 pm
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Import of airgun pellets
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MoA » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:10 am
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If I were to send a friend of mine some pellets i.e. air gun via mail?
Would he get into trouble?
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MoA,
Your friend will be issued a showcause notice from the postal customs and the pellets, irrespective of calibre, confiscated.
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Last post by Mack The Knife
Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:42 pm
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Purchasing a firearm outside your licensing area
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amk » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:56 pm
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Hi,
What are the intricacies and formalities of purchasing a gun out of my licensing area. Or even out of my home state. I am only asking for second...
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None of this applies if you have an All India Lic,you can but or sell any where,with the permission of the Lic authority that has issed the Lic....
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Last post by icemanV
Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:57 pm
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Good book on Indian laws
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mundaire » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:55 pm
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Just came across an excellent book on Indian firearm related laws, thought I'd share it with others here. It's called Firearms in Criminal...
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Hi Abhijeet
thanks for the link, good books are hard to come by.
however they do not deliver to my neck of the woods.
nagarifle
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Last post by nagarifle
Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:41 am
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Import of accessories/ parts
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james » Thu May 01, 2008 11:34 pm
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websites like brownell ect is ready to send grips, bags ,stocks ,12 bore pistol grip ect via online order ,payment through credit card ,anyone in...
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Yes. I bought the parts too since exporting the firearm for repair will be too expensive and time consuming from India.
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Last post by primerwalla
Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:14 pm
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GOVERNMENT OF INDIA'S ORDERS/DECISIONS ON .22 RIFLES (SA)
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hock ann » Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:32 pm
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HI ALL,
SUB-Arms Act & Rules- Semi-automatic .22 bore Rifles-Grant of licence to members of Rifle
Club/Association .
GOI/MHA letter...
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Hi, Mundaire , I am geeting my .22 rifle licence next week , is it possible to legally buy semi by any means ,any notification in arms act to support...
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Last post by james
Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:35 pm
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regarding the endorsement of additional weapon
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saahil » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:59 pm
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hi all
i applied for an additional weapon. today i got a call from the judicial branch that my file has been cleared positively from the SP office...
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Thanks Mack The Knife and Abhjeet.
I have heard that if you apply for sporting purposes then the license granted is restricted for the same, you...
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Last post by amk
Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:21 pm
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provision in arms act
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james » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:49 am
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IS it possible to send firearm out of juridiction area i.e out of state through courier ,if covered by proper order by authority , for repair or can...
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hello
to know more about your query see section 37 and 50 of the Arms Rules 1962 which deals exhaustively on your question. in short it can be done...
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Last post by sudhaiob
Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:39 pm
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BARREL LENGTH shotgun vs rifle
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james » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:08 am
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As per arms act 1962 Shotguns with barrels shorter than 20 inches are also classified as prohibited bore firearms. Is this hold true for rifles or...
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With the same logic a hockey shotgun could be called a hand gun...
afterall Mack The Knife can shoot it with one hand!!! every time I hear the word...
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Last post by diskaon
Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 pm
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Advice needed: License got rejected
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kanwar76 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:53 pm
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Hi Guys,
As some of you know my 12bore license application got rejected recently so my question is
1. Is there any way to appeal against the...
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BTW how goes the WaffenFabrik Bern project? ;)
Hey CC,
Not yet started my friend....work is killing me and sourcing the ingredients in small...
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Last post by kanwar76
Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:57 pm
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How much ammo are you allowed in India?
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MoA » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:36 pm
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Just out of curiosity...
How much ammo are you allowed to have per caliber/weapon? How much can you buy?
And those of you who do shoot...
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I have seen a 5000 shot quota on a MP lic.
One doesnt have to go too far,there are members on IFG who have similar limits.In Delhi they are...
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Last post by Risala
Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:49 pm
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DGFT classification of barrel
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by penpusher » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:14 pm
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Does any one have any idea how a tube with rifling but without chambering and thread/lugs which would enable a cartridge to be fired in it, be...
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hi
i have just been thinking about the about the above and the only reason the DGFT would classifies a
tube with rifling but without chambering...
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Last post by nagarifle
Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:24 pm
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transfer firearm permit + gun from usa to india
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joshrain » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:48 pm
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hi folks,
i am an indian citizen living in usa currently.
i would like to know how easy would it be to get a firearm permit in india and can i...
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Joshrain
You can only take one weapon within Transfer of residence (TR)from US. Condition is you must have owned the gun legally ( with valid...
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Last post by Sakobav
Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:26 am
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SERIOUS GAP BETWEEN SUPPLY & DEMAND OF ARMS
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hock ann » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:32 pm
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At present with the liberalised licensing policy envisaged under the new Arms Act, licences for NP bore Revolver/Pistols are being granted liberally...
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Before the British came to India the situation in our country was that in almost every house, there were some Arms. Possession of arms was regarded...
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Last post by hock ann
Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:24 pm
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