A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by miroflex » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:39 am

The civilian market in India is too small to support large scale manufacture of high quality handguns. This is even more so with the maximum number of weapons allowed having been reduced from 3 to 2 per licence holder and the very restricted number of handgun licences being issued to those who are able come out through the maze of procedures prescribed in different states/union territories. At present, the success rate of applications is low in the country as a whole. In UP, most licencing authorities are turning down almost all applications. Any arms dealer in the State will confirm this dismal state of affairs.

Manufacturers will perforce have to look to the export market to achieve the volume of production necessary to break even on cost of production. In such a scenario it will be counter-productive to lower quality standards.

In any case, private manufacturers will at least have to surpass IOF quality at competitive prices to attract customers.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by Amish » Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:17 pm

Below is a reply i got from Webley India President John Bright. Hope this clarifies some of the doubts out there:

Hello,



Thank you for the contact and nice to hear from you and apologies for the delay in replying. We have been focused on getting our production fully underway.



We have plans in place for production as per below, however due to the current situation regarding COVID-19, there has been significant delays with development and production. Whilst our factory is working double shifts to get production out to the market, we rely on various vendors for small parts of which have delayed production as well. I can assure you that we are pushing as hard as we can, however this is all dependant on the ongoing situation.



When will our products be available (Dependant on current COVID-19 situation)?

Revolvers – Production was well underway before Covid-19 hit, however with the current situation our factory has only been back fully operational for the past 6 weeks. Our first batch of Revolvers are being submitted to Proof this month and then main production will increase thereon. Therefore, expect stock of these to be available in the shops from Mid-End October onwards. Please note that we have many of these units pre-sold and to ensure supply, please pre-order with your local Master Stockist or local dealer.
Handguns - Production planning is underway, and whilst we expected to have these completed by end 2020, we will not compromise on quality and this might not be available till we plan to have this ready by the 1st qtr 2021. The WP4521 .45 will be the 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Shotguns - Production planning is underway and we are expecting these to be available being completed and will become from 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Airguns - Production planning is underway and we are expecting these to be available being completed and will become from 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Ammunition, we are building a new production facility for this and we anticipate that this will be completed late 2021 meaning first lot of ammunition will become available at the start of 2022.



Where and How can do I buy?

To find out where to purchase or pre-order any of the above Webley & Scott products, we have assigned Master Dealers across the Indian continent who are responsible for the sales within their set territory. Due to the huge demand we have had, we recommend you make a deposit with your local outlet to lock in your order. In some instances, these Master Dealers will not be within your set territory, however they will be supplying to Gun Dealers in their set territory. Full listing of these Master Dealers can be found on our website www.webleyscott.in/pages/masterdealers



How much are our products?

We are a Manufacturer and therefore only supply to our Master Dealers and do not supply direct to the consumer. Due to this, we do not quote any Retail Pricing. If you are enquiring about Retail Pricing, you should contact the Master Dealer in your area or your local Gun Store who will be able to quote pricing from their Master Dealer supplier. Our Master Dealers have been given a clear guideline on pricing and part of their contract is to stay within these parameters ensuring that the best pricing is passed onto the end consumer. Therefore, for any pricing queries, please contact your Master Stockist from our website www.webleyscott.in/pages/masterdealers



If you would like to find out more about our products including specifications and images etc, please go to our website www.webleyscott.in and also check out our Social Media pages

Facebook - www.facebook.com/webleyindia/

Instagram - www.instagram.com/webleyindia/





We look forward to supplying the whole Indian continent with a great range of products that meet and exceed the strictest terms of quality that Webley & Scott demand and we thank you for your future business.





Kind Regards

John Bright

Webley & Scott India

[email protected]

www.webleyscott.in

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by miroflex » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:50 am

Welcome to the forum, Amish.

Thank you very much for posting authentic information about Webley and Scott products on which we can go ahead and plan our purchases. Their catalogue is very well produced and I found it most informative and interesting.

On contacting Capital Gun House, Lucknow, I was informed that the .32 revolver is expected to be available in their shop in a month or a month and a half.

The retail price will be between Rs 1,70,000 and Rs 1,75,000.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by pistolero » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:53 pm

Amish wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:17 pm



When will our products be available (Dependant on current COVID-19 situation)?

Revolvers – Production was well underway before Covid-19 hit, however with the current situation our factory has only been back fully operational for the past 6 weeks. Our first batch of Revolvers are being submitted to Proof this month and then main production will increase thereon. Therefore, expect stock of these to be available in the shops from Mid-End October onwards. Please note that we have many of these units pre-sold and to ensure supply, please pre-order with your local Master Stockist or local dealer.
Handguns - Production planning is underway, and whilst we expected to have these completed by end 2020, we will not compromise on quality and this might not be available till we plan to have this ready by the 1st qtr 2021. The WP4521 .45 will be the 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Shotguns - Production planning is underway and we are expecting these to be available being completed and will become from 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Airguns - Production planning is underway and we are expecting these to be available being completed and will become from 2nd qtr 2021 onwards
Ammunition, we are building a new production facility for this and we anticipate that this will be completed late 2021 meaning first lot of ammunition will become available at the start of 2022.

Kind Regards

John Bright

Webley & Scott India

[email protected]

www.webleyscott.in
So the question is who is John Bright? Is he based in India or in the UK. What would be interesting to note is, if barrels are being proofed, could they specify, which machines are used for Deep Hole and Rifling? What is the Twist? What is the steel being used? Any details on the heat treatment.

If they have already proofed the barrels, a Proof Stamp?

More questions again. Would love for the manufacturer to come forward and answer the queries.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by drag73 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:18 pm

miroflex wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:50 am
Welcome to the forum, Amish.

Thank you very much for posting authentic information about Webley and Scott products on which we can go ahead and plan our purchases. Their catalogue is very well produced and I found it most informative and interesting.

On contacting Capital Gun House, Lucknow, I was informed that the .32 revolver is expected to be available in their shop in a month or a month and a half.

The retail price will be between Rs 1,70,000 and Rs 1,75,000.
The budget is very affordable when compared to IOF or import revolvers. I hope they maintain the quality. Waiting eagerly......

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by WhoCantBeNamed » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:20 pm

pistolero wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:53 pm
So the question is who is John Bright? Is he based in India or in the UK. What would be interesting to note is, if barrels are being proofed, could they specify, which machines are used for Deep Hole and Rifling? What is the Twist? What is the steel being used? Any details on the heat treatment.

If they have already proofed the barrels, a Proof Stamp?

More questions again. Would love for the manufacturer to come forward and answer the queries.

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John Bright is the joint director for Webley and Scott, India. And for the remaining questions why not email them directly and ask? I am sure they'd be thrilled to answer all these queries.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by pistolero » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:41 pm

WhoCantBeNamed wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:20 pm
pistolero wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:53 pm
So the question is who is John Bright? Is he based in India or in the UK. What would be interesting to note is, if barrels are being proofed, could they specify, which machines are used for Deep Hole and Rifling? What is the Twist? What is the steel being used? Any details on the heat treatment.

If they have already proofed the barrels, a Proof Stamp?

More questions again. Would love for the manufacturer to come forward and answer the queries.

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John Bright is the joint director for Webley and Scott, India. And for the remaining questions why not email them directly and ask? I am sure they'd be thrilled to answer all these queries.
You seem to be particularly well informed, about Webley India Licensee. Why not give us more information. What I am asking, is Public Domain information, which should have been published, but is not! So if the company does wish to potray & represent itself, as a responsible manufacturer it will make this info available.

Coming to John Bright, SIAL Manufacturers has only 2 listed Directors, and John Bright, is not one of them. Now if he is a Joint Director, where is he based? India? UK? is he a paid appointee? Just a name? Lots of questions..

Coming to the manufacturing process, all we see is a CNC making a part, nothing conclusive. Webley has not manufactured this product in 6 Decades, and not with the current tolerances of modern CNC, so when SIAL makes a claim, that their product is a Webley.
My question is based on what? The original drawings, or just the license to a name, on a revovler made in a radically different way than the original?

Its a honest question, looking for an honest answer. Any manufacturer would step up and clear the air.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by miroflex » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:30 am

The moderators may like to consider moving posts related to Webley & Scott India from this thread regarding Glock handguns to a new one.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by Drameenkitekar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:37 pm



Officials reconfirming launch of Glock, post getting government permissions.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by aslaha » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:37 pm

Probably this is for armed forces
They have posted on their Facebook page (Battle Arms Division)
You never know till the advertise
Hope they introduce something for civilian market :deadhorse:

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by sourabhsangale » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:48 pm

aslaha wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:37 pm
Probably this is for armed forces
They have posted on their Facebook page (Battle Arms Division)
You never know till the advertise
Hope they introduce something for civilian market :deadhorse:
For civilian market it will take more 6 months maybe , I guess they haven’t got the manufacturing license for civilian.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by Drameenkitekar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:05 pm

sourabhsangale wrote:
aslaha wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:37 pm
Probably this is for armed forces
They have posted on their Facebook page (Battle Arms Division)
You never know till the advertise
Hope they introduce something for civilian market :deadhorse:
For civilian market it will take more 6 months maybe , I guess they haven’t got the manufacturing license for civilian.
Did you see their Arms manufacturing license only for defense and not for Civilians?

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by Drameenkitekar » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:09 pm

I dont know why people are either in denial or in disbelief. Folks be happy we are getting it soon. Enjoy the feel.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by sourabhsangale » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:59 am

Drameenkitekar wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:09 pm
I dont know why people are either in denial or in disbelief. Folks be happy we are getting it soon. Enjoy the feel.
Soon is the question ! 😅

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by aslaha » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:08 am

Heard that cmt issued an expression of interest in feb 2020 for civilians and few were able to book and have acknowledgement receipts

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