lazybones";p="60354 wrote:Hi CC: Saw the Steyr and the MP 5s. Can you tell us about the MP 5Fand how to spot it ?
Also saw a sniper version of a G3 (?), it appeared to be nickle plated. The Steyr appeared to have a scope that I've usually seen on a Druganov. Also saw an older wooden-furniture (not a Bulgarian) AK with a scope with flip-up covers with the Bombay ATS. Not a Minimi or Negev in sight.
Ashok
Hi Ashok,
Steyr? I dont remember seeing a Steyr anywhere? the only Steyr I know of in the Indian inventory is the SSG69- that too I've seen only with the BSF.
Perhaps you were referring to some of the scoped SG551's which were fitted with the vertical hand grip in the front. Form some angles I almost mistook them for Steyr AUGs as well.
About the MP5F...well I meant to say they resemble the MP5F.
'F' stands for French- the MP5F was a slightly (ever so slightly) modified version for a specific 35,000 piece French order. The 'improvements' are subtle and most folks would miss it. Externally, the most prominent is the slightly altered butt stock which now has a thick rubber pad, and a small sling loop on the toe of the butt, the butt stock release doesn't resemble the old "Vicks cough drop" type, also all the sling attachment points are ambidextrous now, small changes in the mechanism, mostly in relation to springs, and finally, a slightly altered cocking handle assembly.
Also the current(Not exactly very new) trigger module that includes the pistol grip and selector is a world apart from the older S-E-F type. Primarily the finger grooves on the pistol grip have been done away with, leaving only a lip in the bottom toe area. The contours have been simplified. The selector switch is simpler in design and is ambidextrous and the 'S-E-F' mode markings have given way to stylized red and white symbols of cartridges to indicate the firing mode. A white crossed out 'bullet' in a rectangle signifies 'Safe', a red bullet in a rectangle means 'semi', several red ones mean "Full Auto", additionally, as per customers requirement, tri-burst enabled versions will have three red bullets placed between semi and full auto. These improvements were incorporated on production MP5s from the 90's.
Now it seems (I've been a bit out of date) most of these improvements are now standardized with all H&K MP5's that are being produced and are officially designated MP5N.....so its the MP5N now.
The sniper version of the G3 as you mentioned is the PSG-1. They appear nickle plated because they are old and worn (dating back to the 80's, I assume). Superb rifles and stinking expensive.
The Dragunov traditionally uses the PSO-1 (Do not confuse with PSG-1 rifle!!)scope, though I assume, over the years this tired piece of optics must have been replaced in production runs by better and upto date scopes.
Ya I've also seen the optics on some of the ATS AKs (Russian AKMS) seems to be a recent purchase. Looks like a generic red-dot sighting unit. Perhaps that made by that Indian company (I forget the name and the website)
As regards the Minimis and the Negev... I was just putting in some wishful thinking
I'm told that small batches of Minimi's may have been procured for the SPG and NSG in the 90's. I can;t verify that.
Negev?....well with the Negev being displayed in IOF pavilions at various Expos, I thought it'd be logical to get hold of a few without much difficulty.
Also again going a bit OT, noticed the Terrorist's picture in CST(The side profile midget) - quite unusually, the turd is using an East German MPiKMS-72 or more likely, it's current Romanian avatar. I cant comment on the other AKs other than assuming they'd be the more common second-generation Type-56-1 assault rifles. Very odd and perhaps these are attempts to offset obvious links. That's of course not to say the Romanians are now backing terror in India!
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