Can you translate the contents to english please!!
Booking of webley and Scott revolver has started in india, manufacturing of pistol also started in Hardoi (up) factory and soon it will also be available to license holders.
Can you translate the contents to english please!!
Booking of webley and Scott revolver has started in india, manufacturing of pistol also started in Hardoi (up) factory and soon it will also be available to license holders.
Hi All,
Just came to know from one of Arms dealer, New model of Ashani .32 pistol is about to Launch in first week of April. If anyone have information about changes/modification they are going to make, kindly share.
Regards
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:10 pm
by Vineet
IOF has around ten models of revolvers and pistols in market. There are some minor changes but overall the quality is same. So don’t expect anything out of the box from them.
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:59 pm
by pokhar
Informative video regarding question, which is better RFI OR GSF.
Is it possible that empty shell get stucked in barrel as shown in this video?
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 1:17 am
by timmy
Tolerances are a key issue with the 32 Auto, as it is what is called a "semi-rimless" cartridge. This name is somewhat misleading, as the 32 Auto does have a rim that projects beyond the side of the cartridge. The name is applied because the rim is smaller than normal practice.
The trick here is that the 32 Auto does have a rim, but it tends to feed and operate in the gun as if it didn't have a rim.
(Here, let me pause to note that, even though the 32 Auto is called semi-rimless, the rims can interlock in the magazine, causing a jam. this happens when the rim of the upper round in the magazine is behind the rim of the lower round, preventing the upper round from feeding. Rimmed cartridges have always presented a problem for reliable feeding from a column magazine -- tubular magazines are another issue and subject -- as have semi-rimmed cartridges, although semi-rimmed cartridges are less of a problem in this regard. This is one reason, beside ergonomics, why semiautomatic pistols usually have some angle of less than 90* for the grip-receiver junction, when the pistol is intended to fire rimmed -- like 22 LR -- or semi-rimmed cartridges.)
John M Browning designed the 32 Auto this way, and he used this same practice for other cartridges, like the 38 Auto, which later was loaded very hot and became the 38 Super. (The 38 Super is a very fine cartridge and is hotter than a 9mm Luger. Remember, 38 caliber roughly equals 9mm)
Because the rim is smaller, the tolerances of making the cartridge and making the gun, especially the barrel, are more critical than in other designs. One problem might be if the rim is made too small, or another might be if the chamber in the gun is made too large. Or, both might occur together and cause problems. This will often take the form of the cartridge seating too deeply in the chamber and not getting a sufficient hit from the firing pin, causing a failure to fire.
A case like this video is somewhat different. Such problems can be a problem with the construction of the cartridge, like too soft material or too thin material, or a flaw in the forming that leaves a weak spot, and also a chamber problem, like a burr, "ring" (circular depression in the chamber), rust, or some other sort of irregularity. The cartridge, in such cases, can be pulled apart, or the extractor can rip off the section of the rim it grabs.
Informative video regarding question, which is better RFI OR GSF.
Is it possible that empty shell get stucked in barrel as shown in this video?
The shell got stuck in the chamber because the chamber is not smooth from inside. There are machining marks inside the chamber to which shell gets stuck as after firing the shell expands.
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:27 am
by pokhar
As he is showing Ring type object, but as I know empty shell must have rim at one side and can't be open from both side...
As he is showing Ring type object, but as I know empty shell must have rim at one side and can't be open from both side...
In the video, the shell has broken from the middle. Half of the the shell has been ejected out and the other half got stuck in the chamber which was later removed by the gunsmith.
Something like in the pic below. This is rifle shell here. Same thing happened in the video with the pistol shell.
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Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:52 pm
by pokhar
Ok Vineet ji, understand the reason!
But in that case should we blame to pistol (GSF) as it is the fault of inferior quality of amo...
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:55 pm
by Vineet
The same ammo works fine in imported pistols.
Also I have seen shells getting stuck in IOF revolvers and the same ammo works ok in imported revolvers.
Ok Vineet ji, understand the reason!
But in that case should we blame to pistol (GSF) as it is the fault of inferior quality of amo...
Be aware that it could be premature to blame the cartridge or the gun, as using a youtube video is inadequate for a conclusive analysis.
Also be aware that the possibility of failure in this one case may be the cartridge, may be the gun, or may be both the cartridge and the gun.
Finally, be aware that, just because the problem in this case was whatever it really was, it does not necessarily follow that whenever this happens, it's always the fault of the cartridge, or the fault of the gun, or both. It would seem to me that the quality control exercised in the manufacture of both cartridge and gun would mean that each instance of failure might be profitably considered on its own merits.
It should also be taken into account that a used gun, or ammunition that has been stored for some time under various conditions may also be the cause of this sort of problem. For instance, a gun that isn't cleaned properly, or that has been fired and not cleaned, or rust developing in the chamber from humidity could cause this result. The same goes for ammunition, as well.
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:45 am
by Vineet
Below is a pic of IOF revolver’s cylinder chambers. Just look at the machining marks left inside
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Similar is the case with pistol barrel chamber. These machining marks will definitely ‘hold’ the empties.
Re: IOF ASHANI .32 pistol
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:17 am
by timmy
It looks like they've made the cylinder on a drill press and left it at that!
I'm not sure IOF ammunition is anything to write home about, either.
I really can't see any excuse for such shoddy workmanship at any price, but considering what they charge for those antiques, it is obscene.
Informative video regarding question, which is better RFI OR GSF.
Is it possible that empty shell get stucked in barrel as shown in this video?
Just a note - Indians are compelled to buy this mouse-gun at a price of USD 1500 and they have to shell out another USD 1500 or somestics more to obtain license to carry this gun . Why ?? Because they're law abiding no matter what .
