A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Sun May 02, 2021 8:01 am

In India there are 2 steps to firearms manufacture. The first is getting a license to manufacture and the second is getting permission to manufacture. The second is a lot more involved than the first which is no cakewalk either. The manufacturer has to fulfill a host of requirements about security and the manner in which the unit will be run. He has to submit a prototype for evaluation. Any piece of 'handicraft' read shoddy handmade copies of old pistols will not make the cut. The premises of the manufacturer is then to be inspected to find out if he is complying with all requirements and that he has indeed made the firearm in-house.

Most of the persons who have got a license have no manufacturing experience. The vast majority are not gunsmiths or even machinists. They have no understanding of firearms since they have always relied upon their 'mistry'. India has no pool of talented gunsmiths. Please do not talk of Munger and desi katas and the talented criminals who make them. If you have seen these crudely made contraptions you will not for a moment think that the chaps who made them will be able to make a modern firearm. So,to cut it short,it is going to take some time for locally made handguns and rifles to hit the market. There is not machine in the world where you throw in steel at one one end and it spits out a fully functional firearm at the other end. Trying to make a copy of the Webley revolver was a bad idea. It requires hand fitting of parts that is beyond the capability of 'mistris' that would have been employed. Therefore a design like the Glock has a greater chance of getting into production. Manufacturers are allowed to import parts initially. But from where do you import parts for out of production guns that were made by companies that ceased to exist decades back.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by veeveeaar » Sun May 02, 2021 10:12 am

winnie_the_pooh wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 8:01 am


The vast majority are not gunsmiths or even machinists. They have no understanding of firearms since they have always relied upon their 'mistry'. India has no pool of talented gunsmiths. Please do not talk of Munger and desi katas and the talented criminals who make them. If you have seen these crudely made contraptions you will not for a moment think that the chaps who made them will be able to make a modern firearm. . It requires hand fitting of parts that is beyond the capability of 'mistris' that would have been employed. Therefore a design like the Glock has a greater chance of getting into production.

Well said !. Mr Winne. In the case of Webley , i think the market is already saturated by the IOF copies.

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Re: Can we buy Glock in INDIA

Post by PRINCESIDHU007 » Mon May 03, 2021 11:23 am

Brother, you have to wait till 2022 if you want purchase made in India Glock. :cheers:

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by dsen » Tue May 04, 2021 2:33 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 8:01 am
In India there are 2 steps to firearms manufacture. The first is getting a license to manufacture and the second is getting permission to manufacture. The second is a lot more involved than the first which is no cakewalk either. The manufacturer has to fulfill a host of requirements about security and the manner in which the unit will be run. He has to submit a prototype for evaluation. Any piece of 'handicraft' read shoddy handmade copies of old pistols will not make the cut. The premises of the manufacturer is then to be inspected to find out if he is complying with all requirements and that he has indeed made the firearm in-house.

Most of the persons who have got a license have no manufacturing experience. The vast majority are not gunsmiths or even machinists. They have no understanding of firearms since they have always relied upon their 'mistry'. India has no pool of talented gunsmiths. Please do not talk of Munger and desi katas and the talented criminals who make them. If you have seen these crudely made contraptions you will not for a moment think that the chaps who made them will be able to make a modern firearm. So,to cut it short,it is going to take some time for locally made handguns and rifles to hit the market. There is not machine in the world where you throw in steel at one one end and it spits out a fully functional firearm at the other end. Trying to make a copy of the Webley revolver was a bad idea. It requires hand fitting of parts that is beyond the capability of 'mistris' that would have been employed. Therefore a design like the Glock has a greater chance of getting into production. Manufacturers are allowed to import parts initially. But from where do you import parts for out of production guns that were made by companies that ceased to exist decades back.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Tue May 04, 2021 10:34 pm

dsen,if I have a saddle does it necessarily mean that I have a horse? ....or a pony ...or maybe a camel.
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by pistolero » Wed May 05, 2021 1:52 pm

Given the requirements, one has to wonder how did Sheikh Arms get approval? or the other manufacturers.
Without allowing import of parts kits, local manufacturers will take a long time in getting approval if they are going by the "BooK"

I sometimes feel that the government actually does not want Atma Nirbhar bharat in small arms.
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Post by winnie_the_pooh » Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm

Who says Sheikh Arms has got approval to manufacture?
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by pistolero » Wed May 05, 2021 10:12 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm
Who says Sheikh Arms has got approval to manufacture?
Is there a list of Manufacturers who have approval to Manufacture? Interesting Data
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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by dsen » Wed May 05, 2021 10:18 pm

winnie_the_pooh wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm
Who says Sheikh Arms has got approval to manufacture?
With all due respect, you must be living under a rock. You are questioning whether they have a manufacturing licence and yet they have already completed manufacturing their pistol almost a year ago.

It seems you are overly pessimistic whether it be Glock-CMT or Sheikh Arms or other private companies which is understandable, but I request you to have an open mind sir.

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Re: A new baby born... Made in India Glock?

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Wed May 05, 2021 10:27 pm

dsen, please read my post. License to manufacture is the first step. Then the company needs to submit a prototype and get permission to manufacture. These are 2 distinct things.
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Re: Can we buy Glock in INDIA

Post by dsen » Wed May 05, 2021 10:31 pm

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Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:00 am
Thanks for reply sir i guess i need to sell my kidney for that , ,@ shivaji sir i guess De-gal has to be PB in india? please enlighten me!
IWI Desert Eagle (Deagle) .357 is not PB in India. Check out the video below, he paid 42L for it.


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