what weapons do the police and other govt orgs have

[warthog]

can anyone tell me what good weapons they brandish while we civilians have to deal with baba adam zamane type weapons.

[HSharief]

Lath, Wardi and LOTS of stupidity.

[Mo]

They use magic too. The proximity to a cop is inversely proportional to the money you have in ur purse.

[lazybones]

The ones I have seen include:
Lee Enfields, Mark 1 - 5 (lots of jungle carbines with the Railway PF). Sterling 9mm (the Sten). Browning HiPower.
Webley/Enfields/Colts (.45 revolvers). Saw a Thompson .45 with airport security at the Poona airport in the 80s. Pump action shotguns (very recent). The SLR (7.62 FAL lookalike).The INSAS. H&K Scorpion (with the NSG)

Ashok

[Mo]

I've only seen a baton and a rusty old cycle so far.

Sometimes the Royal Enfield. I mean, noxious fumes can be used as a weapon too. Right?

P.S: Dear Bullet aficionados, I dont have anything against the machine. Though the ones maintained by the police are usually in bad condition.

[msandhu]

The ones I have seen include:
Lee Enfields, Mark 1 - 5 (lots of jungle carbines with the Railway PF). Sterling 9mm (the Sten). Browning HiPower.
Webley/Enfields/Colts (.45 revolvers). Saw a Thompson .45 with airport security at the Poona airport in the 80s. Pump action shotguns (very recent). The SLR (7.62 FAL lookalike).The INSAS. H&K Scorpion (with the NSG)

Ashok

you can include AK47, AK74, LMG's and some glocks also in this list.

Cheers
Mandeep

[TenX]

Their primary weapon is the 'fear-factor' that a cop/cop's uniform is supposed to instill. Apart from that, they very quickl drive the subject into a defensive posiion in a very short span of time... and lead this to a position of subbordination which they very well use to their advantage.
The secondary weapon is tactical piliticking to ensure maximum benifit from suspicion if begotton, irrespective of humane and legal norms.
Next comes deeper actions to make one accept something they have no clue of....
... as in...

There was once an International Police Meet in Russia, wherein all cops from around the world participated in a contest to prove the best of the lot. When the Americas took first shot at the main objective of the contest, which was to captivate a Siberian tiger, they used all their brains and brawls to bring in a fine specimen in les than 2 hours.
Not being able to bear a possible loss, the Russians who fared next got a better specimen in an hour and a half.
Next was the India team, who ventured into the jungle bravely, but wee not heard of for several hours. Panic stricken judges and others who formed a posse searched relentlessly for several hours and finally found the Indian team, having tied a Bear to a tree, and beating it badly....
They were screaming "Accept you are a Tiger.. Accept"

[Mo]

Lol.. I've heard a regional version of that where we had police from different states in India and the last bit was the Mallu police beating the hell outta a bear.. lol..

[ravizz]

What i've seen with Mumbai Police are Titan Tiger rev,s&w mp10,s&w .38spl bodyguard,ruger super six, glock and few llama revolvers

[sudhaiob]

you have forgotten the .410 musket which is the standard piece in all the police stations in tn
regs
sudhaiob

[tingriman]

Dont be surprised if you see .303 still used by Bihar Police and Ak56 by VDC members of J&K

[Sakobav]

In India I fired a Glock issued to a police officer, the gun was great but every other bullet misfired so much for IOF ammo. So what good is one of the best pistols with defective ammo?

Best

[HydNawab]

I agree! I was watching a video on the Glock just yesterday and this guy who was reviewing the Glock 17 said that he had been using the pistol for a long time and it never jammed.

Interestingly, he compared the realiability of the Glock to a revolver.He was a law enforcement officer.

Cheers

Ashar

[tingriman]

In India I fired a Glock issued to a police officer, the gun was great but every other bullet misfired so much for IOF ammo. So what good is one of the best pistols with defective ammo?

Best

They must use right ammunition with these guns. Glocks are fault tolerent guns, but a gun that wont fire defeats its purpose.

IOF Ammu + Glock = Expensive Paper weight.

Cheers

[cottage cheese]

The ones I have seen include:
Lee Enfields, Mark 1 - 5 (lots of jungle carbines with the Railway PF). Sterling 9mm (the Sten). Browning HiPower.
Webley/Enfields/Colts (.45 revolvers). Saw a Thompson .45 with airport security at the Poona airport in the 80s. Pump action shotguns (very recent). The SLR (7.62 FAL lookalike).The INSAS. H&K Scorpion (with the NSG)

Ashok

To clarify...

1. Lee Enfield No1 Mk3, No4 Mk1 (.303) - (Haven't seen too many No5's)
2. IOF RFI Rifle 2A, 2A1 (7.62mmX51mmNATO)
3. IOF RFI SLR 1A (7.62mmX51mmNATO)
4. IOF SAF Carbine 1A & supposedly 'improved' SMG 1A1(9mmx19mm) (Licensed Sterling L2A1/Mk4)
5. STEN, MkII(T-butt and skeleton butt), Mk3, Mk5 (9mmx19mm)
6. Thompson M1 (.45ACP) (Including a few older Thompsons)
7. M3, M3A1 Grease Gun (.45ACP)
8. Heckler&Koch MP5K, MP5A3, MP5A5 (9mmx19mm)
9. Czech Samopal Vz61 Skorpion (.32ACP)
10. Webley MkIV (.455) Revolver (Largely retired but still issued occasionally)
11. Strum Ruger Service Six (.380 Webley)Revolver
12. Titan Tiger (.380 Webley)Revolver
13. Lama (.380Webley) Revolver (Don't know which model)
14. Smith&Wesson Model-39(Or was it 49?) Bodyguard .38Special snubby
15. FN Browning GP35 (9mmx19mm)- The original HighPower
16. IOF SAF Pistol 1A (9mmx19mm)- A piss poor copy of the Canadian Inglis variant of the HP
17. Glock17, 19 (9mmx19mm)
18. AKM & AKMS (Soviet- not Russian)
19. Arsenal AR & AR-F Bulgarian AK clones (recent - All black furniture)
20. Bren MkI & II .303 LMG
21. IOF Machine Gun 1B (7.62mm Bren)
22. Vickers .303 MMG (!!) (As far as I know only with Manipur Armed police)
23. IOF RFI INSAS (5.56mmx45mm -not necessarily NATO)
24. IOF Pump Action Gun 12GA Shotgun
25. IOF RFI(?) No1Mk3 Converted to .410
26. Brno Mod2 .22LR Target Rifle for cadet training
27. Heckler&Koch PSG-1 and perhaps MSG90 (Only NSG..and now some State Police forces)
28. Steyr Mannlicher SSG69 (seen only with BSF)

Though I've not seen them, I'm told a few state police forces used M1 Garands as well

....and thats only the state police forces! Mind you, the list doesn't include arms of the Paramilitary and mililtary...and the occasional Seized weaponry that are requisitioned for police use.

To off set the common mix-up as regards the relation to the IOF SLR and the FAL, India does possess a small quantity of original Belgian FN FALs which were presumably purchased at some point of time for reasons unclear. They are without doubt, superb rifles. The Indian manufactured SLR is a slightly altered(mostly for manufacturing expediencies) copy of the British L1A1 SLR. The L1A1 was a based on the FAL with alterations to suit British specifications and manufacturing techniques. The IOF SLR 1A is thus the grandson of the FAL... with next to nothing interchangeable other than the ammunition.

With regard to AKs in use in India, the subject is worth extensive 'study'-

Apparently the first officially procured batch of AKs by India were Polish made KBKs - Which is odd, given India's hot relationship with the Soviet Union at the time. The KBKs were basically Polish AK47 3rd Model clones and were the result of a rushed order to upgrade the firepower of at least the Special Forces (Paras at that time) in Sri Lanka.

Some Hungarian AKMs may have come in as well for 'special use'

Next came a huge batch of ex-Soviet AKM and AKMS rifles (Unused stockpiles dating from the mid 60's to the late 70's)which were dispersed mostly to the State police forces, CRPF, BSF, NSG, ITBP, Assam Rifles number of other para-military units in the early 1990's. Relatively few went to the Army.

The unification of Germany, made available, a massive surplus of East German MPiKM and MPiKMS-72 rifles in the same time period. This lead to the proliferation of these dirt-cheap second hand rifles all over the third world. Predictably, a sizable batch was procured for the Indian Army.

The German Unification also made available the entire East German manufacturing facilities of the MPiK Series. These apparently ended up in Romania, who went about producing and marketing plain unaltered copies of the MPiK Series world wide. The quality was of a lower standard. India procured almost 200,000 of these rifles in both fixed stock and side-folder versions. Most were destined for the Rashtriya Rifles and some went to the regular Army as well.

The most recent official AK procurement was from Bulgaria- the all black ones that we see all over lately. The deal seems to have been a greased one. The rifle is allegedly sub-standard.

What we commonly call the AK-56 is a misnomer- its actually the Type-56 - NORINCO - Chinese made- By far the most prolific AK clone in the region...perhaps worldwide. To put a finer point to it, whats most common is the Type56-1 which is a bland copy of the Soviet AK47S 3rd Model. Just a minor alteration differentiates it from the Soviet one- The Chinese fore-sight is the ring type while the Soviet one had 'U' ears.

Pakistan officially uses the Type56. Also, enormous stocks of these rifles bankrolled by the US and meant for the mujahideen were pilfered or not delivered. It is these that largely made up the stocks of AK that were handed out freely to the J&K scene...and thence proliferated in the sub continent. So much were captured that they could potentially arm a large battle formation of the Indian Army. Most, however, were/are kept unused for propaganda purposes I'm told. Many seized by police forces invariably end up being requisitioned by the much beleaguered armed police as a supplement to the rather stingy government supply.

Sure many AK74s, AKS74s and AKS74Us were seized- practically all are "filter-throughs" from Afghanistan. Due to ammunition availability or the lack of, none are used in any significant manner.

Same with Type-59 LMGs (Chinese RPD copy) what the establishment calls UMGs, and also the Chinese clones of the RPK64, and PKM and needless to mention, the M20 (Chinese TT33 clone). Also enough Chinese RPG7s have been captured to justify the publication of a Roman-Hindi manual for the same.

As regards the Dragunov, other than some captured ones being used, official procurements are Russian SVDs. Some police forces are apparently using them.