About russian civil pistol-carbine MA-APS and MA PP-91 in caliber 9 Makarov

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About russian civil pistol-carbine MA-APS and MA PP-91 in caliber 9 Makarov

Post by russianshooter3 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:28 pm

Basic "rifle" in Russian laws - 800 mm
Its legal to travelling with this gun, and carry in holster in public place

Starting MA PP- 91 carbine
Basic model PP Kedr - submachine gun
magazine capacity 10,20,30
Price - 700 USD
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MA APS carbine
Basic model APS - pistol with full auto mod
magazine capacity - 20
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Post by Vikram » Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:18 pm

Very cool models. Thank you for sharing this stuff.
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Post by russianshooter3 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:11 pm

Vikram wrote:
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Very cool models. Thank you for sharing this stuff.
welcome :cheers:

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Post by Shivaji.Dasgupta » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:15 am

Great. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by xl_target » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:28 pm

Very nice to see the photos and videos of the Stechkin in action.
I believe those are no longer made?
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Post by russianshooter3 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:09 pm

xl_target wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:28 pm
Very nice to see the photos and videos of the Stechkin in action.
I believe those are no longer made?
Molot plant made Stechkin small batch for pilots of combat helicopters and bombers in 2019
Arrow on foto year of production

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Post by xl_target » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:21 pm

Molot plant made Stechkin small batch for pilots of combat helicopters and bombers in 2019
Arrow on foto year of production
That is very cool.

I found a video of Larry Vickers putting the Stechkin through its paces.
Some good closeups and slow motion of the gun in action.



The only full auto handgun that I've ever shot was a Glock 18.
It was surprisingly controllable with the shoulder stock.
The Stechkin looks to be quite shootable.
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Post by russianshooter3 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:04 pm

xl_target wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:21 pm
Molot plant made Stechkin small batch for pilots of combat helicopters and bombers in 2019
Arrow on foto year of production
That is very cool.

I found a video of Larry Vickers putting the Stechkin through its paces.
Some good closeups and slow motion of the gun in action.



The only full auto handgun that I've ever shot was a Glock 18.
It was surprisingly controllable with the shoulder stock.
The Stechkin looks to be quite shootable.
Sir
Stechkin pistol developed in 1949 year, glock-18 in 90 - 50 years age differences!
Makarov pistol and Stechkin pistol - peers
and Stechkin its military pistol developing in cold war
Some problem this pistol - caliber 9 mm Makarov basic 300 j muzzle energy, in Stechkin -350 j because more longer barrel
All produced no more then 20000-30000 Stechkin pistols, because developing AKS-74U

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Post by xl_target » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:59 pm

I've fired the 74u.
Not a bad little weapon..but loud!
I'd hate to shoot that indoors with no hearing protection.

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xl_target wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:59 pm
I've fired the 74u.
Not a bad little weapon..but loud!
I'd hate to shoot that indoors with no hearing protection.

I have original converted from full-auto to semi AKS 74 U in my safe)
this stuff easy converted back in full-auto (need 2-3 free bying details),but its not legal...this in Russia

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Post by xl_target » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:45 am

Russianshooter,
I did find my Glock 18 video.
As you can see, it took me a little bit by surprise with the first burst.
I wasn't expecting such a high rate of fire.
Once I knew what to expect, it wasn't hard to control.

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Post by xl_target » Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:00 am

Of all the submachine guns that I have fired, the one I would like to own is the PapaSha (PPSh-41)
In WW2, the Soviets really had the submachine gun down pat. I'd take one of those over the Thompson, Sten, Grease Gun, MP38, UZI, etc.
I only wished that it wouldn't eject straight up. When under cover, with a low ceiling, the empties would hit the roof and bounce back on top of my head.
To be fair, this is a military weapon and this is not an issue if you are wearing a helmet or if you are outside.

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Post by russianshooter3 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:04 pm

xl_target wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:00 am
Of all the submachine guns that I have fired, the one I would like to own is the PapaSha (PPSh-41)
In WW2, the Soviets really had the submachine gun down pat. I'd take one of those over the Thompson, Sten, Grease Gun, MP38, UZI, etc.
I only wished that it wouldn't eject straight up. When under cover, with a low ceiling, the empties would hit the roof and bounce back on top of my head.
To be fair, this is a military weapon and this is not an issue if you are wearing a helmet or if you are outside.

I have original one too 1942 year
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price in Russia 300-350 USD in present time
Basic semi, but its original ppsh convert to semi, and not big problem convert in full-auto back :mrgreen:

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