It is possible rig up holders for many types setups.,
About shellholder supply for big cases,
RCBS and others make slip in holders for shotgun cases
that can work or reworked for big rimmed rifle cases...
Here are various sizes.......
16ga-- .810" rim,........ 20ga-- .760" rim,....
24ga-- .725" rim,....... 28ga .680" rim....
Ch4d and Buffalo Arms also have these larger shellholders...
We fireform the 416 HSM with 65 gr of medium speed
surplus powder, with rest of case filled with farina
and grits mix, with a play dough plug in the neck.
It is loud, so we shoot it into big container through a barrel size
size hole, so the sound is muffled, so it doesn't deafen us..
It is great getting more companies making 416 caliber bullets,
long target and bore rider bullets. Ed..
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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:58 pm
by hubel585
Wonder if a PTRD with 5 ft long barrel is stable enough
for ELR , rebarrel to 416 and use our 416 HSM, 500 gr bullet ....
.Here is up north guy using 585 HE in a PTRD with inserts,
Light load.....Inserts are in the shape of the 14.5mm case....
HERE ia video, 585 Hubel Express and water jugs - slow motion
750 gr with 155gr RE17, just a moderate load.....Ed
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:42 am
by hubel585
20mm Vulcan is a big case that works ok, without having
the sides made too thick...They have thinner sides
than smaller cases guys are getting that have the sides
made too thick and won't extract easy or work with high pressures.
Here Barnard P Cheytac bolt that would do for our 416 HSM..Ed......
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:59 am
by hubel585
Got guys doing various 416 HEs..
One just built a 416 HE, just been testing it a few days..
And using 168gr of HBMG 475 gr CEB, tested it, in good
conditions, 2 shots at 1800 yards and was within
a 1/4 of minute accuracy...A few shots at shorter ranges
had same accuracy. Ed..
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:31 am
by hubel585
The fellow that set up our 416 HE in an ELR rifle
and got 1/4 min accuracy,
They got some game out west over 1400 yds..
.Here is the gun they set up.
Using a K&P 34" barrel on a BAT action.....Ed
And have got 460 HSM specs setup, the impetus for that is some
asking about one and new great line of 458 bullets CEB now has.
It will hold more powder than the 416 HSM and will get
a 572 gr as fast as 416 HSM gets a 475gr.....Ed..
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:36 pm
by hubel585
The guys that did the super accurate 416 HE did another
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..
Used a Stiller action and same load with 475 gr bullet, as in
first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.
And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is print with specs for
the 416 HE reamer chamber ....Ed....
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:36 pm
by hubel585
More about he guys that did the accurate 416 HE, they did a
416 HE that has an 8" longer 42 inch K&P barrel..
Used longer barrel and the same load with 475 gr bullet, as used
in the first gun and and gained about 200 fps with good accuracy,.
3065 fps. Tested 2 groups of 3 and less than 1/2 min moa.
And loads they used are not the highest speed loads
the cartridge is capable of....Here is picture.......Ed....
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:04 am
by hubel585
Here is print with chamber reamer specs for the
416 HSM chamber..There are 3 base sizes we have,
depending on actions used. Got reamers for all 3..
Got cases for all of them..
Our cases are public domain, so that is why I post
info and specs. Manson makes reamers I use,,, Ed.
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:34 am
by hubel585
Here is reamer print with chamber reamer specs for
the 460 HSM chamber .Couple guys getting set
to do 38-40 inch heavy 458 target barrels...Ed....
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:19 am
by hubel585
With 40 inch barrel 416 HSM ,475 gr, get 3650, over 13,000 ft lbs muzzle energy.
Got guys getting set to have 38-40 inch 458 barrel made for 460 HSM.Ed..
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:18 am
by hubel585
More info on this gun, we did it for testing 416 HSM with a rebated rim,
to check in intermediate size actions, with the longer, stronger, bolt lugs, Ed..
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:25 am
by hubel585
Here is experimental action for 416 HSM in a heavy
stock....We lengthened port a little, set bolt stop back ,
opened bolt face fit the 416 HSM rebated rim. Ed.
Here is comparison of Montana PH to Pierce action we
modified to use for rebated rim 416 HSM testing..Ed.
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:18 pm
by hubel585
416 & 460 HE AND 416 & 460 HSM .LONG RANGE AND HUNTING
Can be set up in Pierce X10 ACTION for the 416 & 460 HE
AND X20 action for the 416 & 460 HSM , Can get those
if guys need one...Ed
Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:50 pm
by hubel585
Here is picture of my 416 HSM test gun,... It is a big falling block we had
as a 8 bore years ago. Has a 34 inch , 1 5/8 "diameter, 1 to 10 twist barrel. .. Ed. http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmfb.jpg