Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

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Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by Anksthakur » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:49 pm

Can anyone know about availability of M1 Garand 30-06 from Jabalpur Factory to the Civillian.

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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by partheus » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:23 am

M1s aren't manufactured in India. Only existing copies are WW2 antiques. Most are on a permissible weapons license so will have their gas blocks punctured to disable their semi-auto fire.

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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by Vineet » Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:56 am

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Can anyone know about availability of M1 Garand 30-06 from Jabalpur Factory to the Civillian.
Not available for civilians, these are only issued to armymen.
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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by Anksthakur » Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:50 pm

Armyman issued first then he will sell to Civillian or not?

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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by Vineet » Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:16 pm

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Armyman issued first then he will sell to Civillian or not?
As per rules, armymen can not sell to civilians. Armymen has to deposit back to government but some Armymen go out of way sell to civilians.
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Post by partheus » Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:41 pm

Issued weapons belong to the government. As such, they are deposited back when the serviceman no longer needs them, or, has retired.

Sometimes, guns are auctioned/directly sold to servicemen as well, in which case they may resell them if they so choose. Even so, the usual restrictions will apply. In the case of a Garand, it will need to be converted to bolt action only before it can be sold to a permissible firearms license bearer.

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Post by Vineet » Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:40 pm

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Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:41 pm
Issued weapons belong to the government. As such, they are deposited back when the serviceman no longer needs them, or, has retired.

Sometimes, guns are auctioned/directly sold to servicemen as well, in which case they may resell them if they so choose. Even so, the usual restrictions will apply. In the case of a Garand, it will need to be converted to bolt action only before it can be sold to a permissible firearms license bearer.
We are not discussing 'issued' weapons here.

Army men can not sell auctioned weapons/ directly sold to them at nominal price. In Sri Ganganagar, Rajasthan some senior Army men sold their .30 pistols, which they received from government at nominal price, for 5 to 6 lacs for each pistol to civilians.

There was huge uproar when this came to notice of Central government. Some news on it https://m.timesofindia.com/india/41-Arm ... 293323.cms
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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by partheus » Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:13 am

Vineet wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:40 pm
partheus wrote:
Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:41 pm
Issued weapons belong to the government. As such, they are deposited back when the serviceman no longer needs them, or, has retired.

Sometimes, guns are auctioned/directly sold to servicemen as well, in which case they may resell them if they so choose. Even so, the usual restrictions will apply. In the case of a Garand, it will need to be converted to bolt action only before it can be sold to a permissible firearms license bearer.
We are not discussing 'issued' weapons here.

Army men can not sell auctioned weapons/ directly sold to them at nominal price. In Sri Ganganagar, Rajasthan some senior Army men sold their .30 pistols, which they received from government at nominal price, for 5 to 6 lacs for each pistol to civilians.

There was huge uproar when this came to notice of Central government. Some news on it https://m.timesofindia.com/india/41-Arm ... 293323.cms
I was refering to the issued weapons being available for purchase bit mentioned above.

As regards weapons auctioned/sold to servicemen, are there a seperate set of rules for NPB weapons possessed by military personnel and those possessed by civilians with the latter being given greater privilege in that they have the right to resell while servicemen cannot?

It's not like only existing service weapons are sold that way. Those that were collected from enemies during wars are auctioned and sold as well. And many of these would fall on the NPB side of the legal equation. The article doesn't mention which 30 cal pistols the defaulters sold and also states they were selling PB ware (9mm etc) on the grey market. The latter part is well understood to be illegal. Not to mention, dabbling in grey market is an illegal act in itself, regardless of whatever that's being sold.

However, since we're discussing Garand here, a properly neutered piece with its gas block deactivated should (technically) be resellable since its chambered in 30-06, making it NPB.

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Post by Vineet » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:58 am

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Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:13 am
However, since we're discussing Garand here, a properly neutered piece with its gas block deactivated should (technically) be resellable since its chambered in 30-06, making it NPB.
Army men gets alloted M1 garand from Jabalpur for Rs. 768/- (Yes, you have read it right, Rs. 768 only) and in the open market, the price is Rs. 3,00,000/-

So as per rules, they are not allowed to sell it to civilians. It has to be returned back to the issuing authority or can be transferred to another Army men after receiving consent letter from issuing authority.

I can PM you WhatsApp no.'s of Majors and Colonels and you can confirm from them.
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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by partheus » Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:56 pm

Vineet wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:58 am
partheus wrote:
Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:13 am
However, since we're discussing Garand here, a properly neutered piece with its gas block deactivated should (technically) be resellable since its chambered in 30-06, making it NPB.
Army men gets alloted M1 garand from Jabalpur for Rs. 768/- (Yes, you have read it right, Rs. 768 only) and in the open market, the price is Rs. 3,00,000/-

So as per rules, they are not allowed to sell it to civilians. It has to be returned back to the issuing authority or can be transferred to another Army men after receiving consent letter from issuing authority.

I can PM you WhatsApp no.'s of Majors and Colonels and you can confirm from them.
I see. Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

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Re: Is M1 Garand 30-06 available for civilian in India?

Post by Vineet » Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:55 pm

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