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Post by timmy » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:41 am

The part of the story that says it took the police 12 minutes to arrive reminds me of an old joke that is told in rural areas.

Rural areas often have "volunteer fire departments" where folks are called from their homes to a central firehouse, from where they head to the fire. As one might understand, this usually takes quite some time. Therefore, people will say that the fire department always arrives in time to save the chimney. (The chimney, being made of brick, doesn't burn, but of course the rest of the house is reduced to ashes.)

Likewise, without the CCTV and gun, these folks would have been robbed or worse, had they relied on the police, as know-it-alls always suggest.

This is an excellent example of our need to protect ourselves. Thanks for posting this!
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Post by Mr.Shome » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:17 pm

This is a sterling example of how necessary it is to be self reliant. Fortunately, the family was armed and tech savvy, which saved them from immediate harm.

Unfortunately, the process after filing a complaint is full of harassment. Talking from my own experience. Many years ago, when I lived in Dehradun, our home was robbed, while we were out for lunch.

Can't describe the traumatising experience, my father had to bear after making a police complaint. Yes, eventually the cops arrested someone claiming that he was the thief.

However, our belongings (including jewellery), were never recovered and the case dragged on.

Anyway, all said and done, kudos to the brave family.
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Re: Home defense news

Post by sid9887 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:23 am

when it is a matter of seconds police are only minutes away . Lets just think for a moment what if they had no means to defend themselves , this headline would have been so different....
It is so unfortunate that people sitting in authority will deny law abiding citizens a right to self defence just because they feel that civilians don't deserve a fighting chance .

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Post by Vikram » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:57 pm

They had the presence of mind and they were equipped with the tools necessary to deal with this type of eventuality. Bravo!
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Post by timmy » Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:26 pm

I watched a youtube video that addressed certain gun control issues.

The presenter repeated the question many pose about why one needs to be prepared for problems, rather than calling the police in a case of trouble.

This was answered by asking what we woould think of our government if a disaster or problem occurred, and the government wasn't prepared to respond to it? We expect the government to be ready to deal with many situations, but should we go on living without preparing ourselves?

I have a couple of small fire extinguishers around the house. Am I to be considered foolish for taking my personal protection into my own hands, rather than letting the fire department deal with all fires?
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Post by Mr.Shome » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:08 am

This tragedy/strategy of disarming the common man started more aggressively after the movement of 1857.
Things worsened by 1947, when the Naval Revolts broke out, and received the support of other armed forces.
As almost everyone knows, India shook off the 'Raj' in in 1947.
A major reason was the Naval Revolt. Lord Attlee later admitted that the Brits got scared that things were not as simple as the Revolt of 1857 (I will post his quote later) to substantiate what I believe so far.

Anyway, the political party at power during that time realised that armed civilians may resist draconian dictates.

Since then, the abhorrent legacy of disarming civilians and crushing martial spirit has continued and grows in leaps and bounds (irrespective of the party in power).

These guys won. Today, in India, even talking about gun rights (at least amongst so-called decent people) invites negativity.

Personally, I believe that Bollywood movies have also shaped the general outlook towards firearms by only portraying that guns are the sole privilege of flashy gangsters or wronged heroes.

It's been a ratther long ramble. On a parting note, I would say that it's sad as most people won't even give a thought to the value of firearms in distressing situations, even if they happen to read this news.

Stay well friends.
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Re: Home defense news

Post by Mr.Shome » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:13 am

Just to quickly add that my intention of posting this message is not at all to flaunt the little knowledge I gained from books. It was simply to express my views🙏
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Post by timmy » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:25 am

Your views are most welcome, in my opinion, and also correct. I also appreciate your adding background to the shaping of public opinion on this subject. It is such a shame that people are often motivated by emotions and unthinking reactions on this matter, and cannot be troubled to actually ponder what is going on and how it has been shaped by the past, as you have eloquently pointed out for us.
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Re: Home defense news

Post by Mr.Shome » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:31 am

timmy wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:25 am
Your views are most welcome, in my opinion, and also correct. I also appreciate your adding background to the shaping of public opinion on this subject. It is such a shame that people are often motivated by emotions and unthinking reactions on this matter, and cannot be troubled to actually ponder what is going on and how it has been shaped by the past, as you have eloquently pointed out for us.
My humble and warm thanks to you Sir for this heartwarming message. I hope, good sense prevails. Thank you again Sir. Wish you a good day ahead.
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Re: Home defense news

Post by Mr.Shome » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:38 pm

Mr.Shome wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:08 am
This tragedy/strategy of disarming the common man started more aggressively after the movement of 1857.
Things worsened by 1947, when the Naval Revolts broke out, and received the support of other armed forces.
As almost everyone knows, India shook off the 'Raj' in in 1947.
A major reason was the Naval Revolt. Lord Attlee later admitted that the Brits got scared that things were not as simple as the Revolt of 1857 (I will post his quote later) to substantiate what I believe so far.

Anyway, the political party at power during that time realised that armed civilians may resist draconian dictates.

Since then, the abhorrent legacy of disarming civilians and crushing martial spirit has continued and grows in leaps and bounds (irrespective of the party in power).

These guys won. Today, in India, even talking about gun rights (at least amongst so-called decent people) invites negativity.

Personally, I believe that Bollywood movies have also shaped the general outlook towards firearms by only portraying that guns are the sole privilege of flashy gangsters or wronged heroes.

It's been a ratther long ramble. On a parting note, I would say that it's sad as most people won't even give a thought to the value of firearms in distressing situations, even if they happen to read this news.

Stay well friends.
Hello Everyone,

As promised, just posting one source, which shows how a mighty Colonial power got alarmed enough to hasten up the process of 'Transfer of Power'.

The Flag officer J.H. Godfrey (The Inspiration behind the ‘M’ character in the James Bond series by Ian Fleming - Thank you K Sivaram for the correction) threatened the revolting officers with the then famous line, “Submit or perish”![19]British Prime Minister Clement Attlee’s Labour Cabinet went into deliberations and concluded that a colonial control of India was not sustainable any more.

The British had to offer incentives and make promises to convince the Revolting Navy men, to surrender. Clement Attlee was forced to immediately announce the Cabinet Mission to India and hastened the process of independence[20].

There are many other sources including a statement by the then Chief Justice of Calcutta, who interviewed Lord Atlee in the 1950s, when the latter visited India.

My simple point is that the Brits and their successors have not only completed the job of disarming civilians; they have made the majority of people inept to even think of self defense and firearms.

Regards friends.
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