Indians For Guns

jaz wrote:hi,
how you people rate BB special 30g by IOF in case of self defence.

With approximately 70pellets,BB shotgun shell can take down a mob(if shot at >50yards).

Ace_doc wrote:i rate it as a good load if penetration thru wood or metal is not an issue. at 25 yds the bb goes thru cgi sheet ( suboptimally but yes). the no 1 does not penetrate at all.giving all details may invoke the zap. use bb or slugs if ur wpn supports that cart.

yupp, penetration is quit less as compared to slugs .


Raj

sorry bud! the mob may go down but not for good. remember when i was an intern i saw a case where two rds of 12 g were fired at a wedding procession by an irate lover . although 20 people were injured none was serious. even the pellets were not extracted as the procedure would have caused more damage than the projectiles.

So in the Indian scenario what is the best load in a shotgun for self defense?

amk wrote:So in the Indian scenario what is the best load in a shotgun for self defense?

Slug/ball/BB

And since this comes from you I presume these are legal and readily available in India?

I know what Slug is. Ball as in single lead ball? Does BB have shot sizes/numbers, what number/size is best?

BB is a number referencing the size of shot used, see my post on the previous page in this thread:

Shot sizes (as per American numbering) are listed here - http://www.shotgunworld.com/ammo_s082000.html
British (the numbering system used in India) & European shot size numbering is listed at - http://www.hallowellco.com/shot_size_chart.htm

Birdshot sizes largest to smallest would be BBB > BB > No. 1 all the way down to No. 9

The smaller sizes are not always readily available as (I imagine) most people buy self-defence loads for their shotguns, so you'll most commonly see KF No. 1 or BB being retailed all over the place...

Cheers!
Abhijeet

IN both the US and UK shot size charts , there is no mention of LG shot shells. Where do they stand ?
Regards
Mandeep

At the very top of the multi-projectile shotshell list. Each shot is .36" in dia, weighs 69.7 grains and there are six to a cartridge. In the U.S. it is known as 000 Buck.

AMK- the mandate would be -firepower supremacy.
6x 36 cal lead balls from a LG or 9x 32 cal lead balls from a SG (as it was known, now banned) would cause a fair bit of havoc at most contact ranges.Depends on what you want to do...stop him dead or tickle the tail feathers.I The 1 oz.ball , topped up with no.6 bird shot is reputed to have earned its chevrons with the jungle warfare teams in malaya in the 50's and nam in 70's.Those guys must know!
fI its tickling the tail feathers, 'salt loads' are par for the game. Remind me to about the 'water load' in a 12 GA. Whe you are buying... and thats for real

eljefe, thanks for that. I understood it like this ..... gobledeegook....gobble gobble... gookdegobble ... As you may have noticed, I don't have much knowledge of long guns and the loads

As per what is legal and available in India, what is the best load for self defense, and by self defense I mean to stop one/multiple perpetrator/s in their tracks.

amk wrote:
As per what is legal and available in India, what is the best load for self defense, and by self defense I mean to stop one/multiple perpetrator/s in their tracks.

BB would be best,however if your gun patterns well then upto 20 yds even bird shot No 4 or 6 will be very effective.
It will pepper the target bet the head & waist inflicting serious damage.

Thanks Sanjay. To make it clear, I don't have any kind of long gun yet. I plan to get one, contemplating between a .22 rifle, a larger than .22 bore rifle and a shottie. I live in the city and will never get to fire the shottie or larger bore rifle unless I travel out. OTOH, I can practice with the .22 rifle at the range.

But I've always wished to own a shotgun, especially a pump action

the slug is the best manstopper if collateral damage is not a worry.
rest agree with sanjay bb works.

Ace_Doc, as suggested earlier in this thread, I too would worry about over penetration if using slugs within the confines of a home... after all we are talking about sub-20 feet distances (if that)... besides with slugs you tend to loose out on the biggest advantage of using a shotty - the ability to dispense with any kind of requirement for accurate shot placement!

Not many of those who face up to a home defence situation are going to be trained enough to be able to effectively master their fear/ surprise/ excitement etc. well enough to be able to actually think about placing proper shots, it is precisely in these conditions that a shotgun loaded with buckshot can truly shine... of course buckshot being prohibited in India (go figure ) the next best thing would be BBB or BB or even (as Sanjay mentioned) birdshot... even with No. 7 or 6 a direct faceshot means a blind attacker and he isn't going to be able to do you much damage if he cannot see you - eh?

Cheers!
Abhijeet

Since the vast majority of the homes in India have brick walls,over penetration should not be that big an issue as it would be if the walls were made of boards.