Re: Is a weapon really required for self protection in India
Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 4:05 pm
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I guarantee you that for every VIP that may or may NOT be threatened, there are 1000 commoners that are in far more danger every day. Your status in society does not dictate your need to protect yourself or your entitlement to any right or consideration. Some of the most impoverished are the ones under constant daily threat.aadhaulya wrote:VIP security may or probably is over rated at our cost. However, they have a reason to be protected and I feel there is nothing wrong in being protected if a threat exists. Assassination of two Prime Ministers and some ministers and VIP's of India is an embarrassing situation for India.nagarifle wrote:ask the vips etc, since they go fully loaded
Though, unlike the PM who does not seem to have any armed personnel around him, is the most heavily protected VIP in India. Whereas, in some stated the status of the VIP is judged (or perceived to be judged) by the number of automatic weapons carried by the PSO's of that VIP, this as per my thinking is that we are unnecessarily paying for the additional security that may not be required.
However, my question was aimed towards the lowly common man like me. Do I need protection living in Urban India??
Regards
I have two smoke alarms and I have spent enough money on 9V batteries over the past 20 years to buy a new 1911. And they have never done me a bit of good except remind me what a bad cook I amxl_target wrote:You have a fire extinguisher at home?
Are you expecting a fire?
It is up to every individual to decide if he or she needs to carry a weapon.
In my case, I'd rather have it than not. No one know that I have one on me anyway.
I am not aware if I said something wrong, my basic points were as follows.aadhaulya wrote:You really may wish to rephrase/rewrite your entire reply.- Moderator
Understood. But, I really wonder what the replies can tell you. I can't presume to know what you will find meaningful or upon what you will base your conclusions, but I'm especially thinking about the second of your questions above: You first asked about who it is that carries a gun. Given the notoriously difficult process of obtaining a license and the uneven application of the law to the licensing process, does the question of who carries a gun have more to do with the choice to carry, or does it say more about how many people cannot choose whether or not to carry a firearm for self protection?aadhaulya wrote:Tim,
By me I meant the normal common man. Off course each individual knows his own requirement. My idea was to get an idea of members and the people they know, if they have any reason to carry a weapon.
Also, if they carry a weapon for an off chance that something may happen some day. Like I mentioned that none of the people I know carries any sort of weapon.
Regards
kshitij, This is exactly what I also feel even though I always carry a gun. And I wanted to know if there are people who really believe that being armed at all times is important in Indian Metro cities.kshitij wrote:I have never really felt the need to really carry a weapon of any kind in the city. When i am travelling alone in and around the city, i feel secure enough to handle most eventualities better while being unarmed. That is not to say i havent had my share of minor scuffles but they have always been what i could settle with my mouth and in the worst cases with my hands. Have always felt secure even when i have been out till late in the night with my wife and other female friends. This is also a partly due to me pre planning and avoiding any unwanted situation even before there is a slim chance that it could happen.
That said, i am of the opinion that the average law abiding citizens should be able to bear arms to ensure their own well being, especially the senior citizens and women. Also though i am fairly confident about my own safety while moving around in my city, i firmly believe in ensuring the safety of my family and property should a riot like or chaotic situation arise in the city. And yes, the right "instruments" are required to do that.
Tim, as per my understanding specially on this forum that most of the people in the USA carry a gun, even though the 'law and order' situation there is much better than in India. It is probably due to the fact that it is very easy to acquire a weapon there.timmy wrote: Understood. But, I really wonder what the replies can tell you. I can't presume to know what you will find meaningful or upon what you will base your conclusions, but I'm especially thinking about the second of your questions above: You first asked about who it is that carries a gun. Given the notoriously difficult process of obtaining a license and the uneven application of the law to the licensing process, does the question of who carries a gun have more to do with the choice to carry, or does it say more about how many people cannot choose whether or not to carry a firearm for self protection?
Secondly, however, what can asking "fi they have any reason to carry a weapon" provide as meaningful answers? We don't have a single woman participating here, and they constitute half of the population. I think a valid case can be made that they are the most vulnerable half and most in need of an effective means of personal protection. I also think that a valid point would be that women simply are not educated about firearms sufficiently, due to a number of factors, to make a good decision regarding carrying a means of self protection. What would be the most likely response, for instance, if the average 18 year old woman in India went to her father and said that she needed to carry a gun for protection? That would be an explosive discussion, even in most households in the USA.
It is this last point, that of education, and especially the education of women about firearms, that I believe is at the center of our task here.
Commonwealth_of_PA wrote:Women are the fastest growing group of carriers in the USA and they do not ask their fathers for permission
This is certainly a misunderstanding. The two most recent states that I've lived in, Maryland and New Jersey, along with others, such as New Mexico (my home state), Texas, Colorado, and Montana, taken all together, there was only one person, in Montana, who I knew carried a firearm, besides myself. For myself, I generally have carried when I take long trips, but never in everyday life.aadhaulya wrote:Tim, as per my understanding specially on this forum that most of the people in the USA carry a gun
Atul, the vagueness of your original post might as well have had a neon sign above it, indicating that you already had an opinion on the subject you were addressing and that you were looking for data that supported your views. Such posts are not uncommon here!aadhaulya wrote:I think people carry a gun just because they like the feel of the gun, the destruction it can cause and the gun is totally in their control.
This is the basic idea that I was trying to gather.
timmy wrote:This is certainly a misunderstanding. The two most recent states that I've lived in, Maryland and New Jersey, along with others, such as New Mexico (my home state), Texas, Colorado, and Montana, taken all together, there was only one person, in Montana, who I knew carried a firearm, besides myself. For myself, I generally have carried when I take long trips, but never in everyday life.
Thanks for the news tip,but you are not addressing the same thing that I said. I said "people that I knew who carried guns," (which was the question) not "people that I knew who might or might not carry guns." I feel reasonably secure in the knowledge of the places I've lived. Undoubtedly, I came across someone somewhere who was carrying a gun that I didn't know about -- just like people who encountered me while I was carrying and didn't know that I was carrying.Commonwealth_of_PA wrote:timmy wrote:This is certainly a misunderstanding. The two most recent states that I've lived in, Maryland and New Jersey, along with others, such as New Mexico (my home state), Texas, Colorado, and Montana, taken all together, there was only one person, in Montana, who I knew carried a firearm, besides myself. For myself, I generally have carried when I take long trips, but never in everyday life.
Timmy, I've got news for you. You've known way more than 1 person that carried a gun in many of those states you lived in