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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Wed May 22, 2013 11:52 pm

By it`s very nature, a 1-7x24 scope is not going to be cheap......and can`t be cheap. This is a decidedly specialist scope. I presume that all Sightrons are still made in Japan........ ?
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu May 23, 2013 9:14 am

Vikram,

The Terra line of binoculars are said to be assembled in China.Since Zeiss is willing to go to China for binos they can very well do it for the scopes.The cheaper price also seems to indicate that.As far as assembling them,that could be done in Japan but the components would still be made in China.

It might well be a Chinese made scope assembled in Japan.For all we know the Conquest line of scopes are Chinese components assembled in USA.

It would be interesting to think of what the reaction of babus would be if the Zeiss gave an application for making scopes in India.

Norinco makes guns and sells them in the international market.Here the Home Ministry does its damnedest to prevent the manufacture of arms even by the IOFB.Despite the changes in the policy allowing the manufacture of arms by private players,the Home Ministry will never give permission to anyone.L&T were denied permission to commence making small arms for the Army on the grounds that these could end up in the hands of criminals.

L&T selling arms to criminals :roll: Sorry for the OT rant.
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu May 23, 2013 9:28 am

699 GBP = Rs.58,716 ( 1GBP = Rs 84)

699 USD= Rs.39,144( 1USD= Rs 56)

Simple solution,devalue the Pound ROTFL
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 9:31 am

It would make no economic sense whatsover to have Chinese components assembled in Japan so that scenario can be forgotten.
I suspect that the Terra IIIX rifles scope ARE assembled in China. The optics might be imported but I very much doubt it. I`ll bet there`ll be a slew of reviews saying that the `cheap` Zeiss Terra IIIX riflescopes are superb ....... but you can take that with a large pinch of salt because they won`t compare to a Victory or Diavari .... or even a Duralyt. I won`t bother to include the Conquests for comparison because I pretty much despise them - the Conquests don`t look like Zeiss scopes, they don`t feel like Zeiss scopes and the optics don`t compare to German made Zeiss scopes.
It`s interesting that Zeiss seem to think that they can introduce cheap lines in the US and it won`t affect their reputation for quality but they won`t risk the same in Europe.......
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 9:34 am

I won`t ask you to be my finance minister when I become galactic leader ...... if a currency is devalued the cost of imports goes UP !!!
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu May 23, 2013 9:42 am

Conquest to a Duralyt is no comparison.....but one in 3-9x40 at 185 GBP all inclusive, is not that bad is it?
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 9:49 am

Depends upon how good they are. You can`t get a Conquest for £185 in the UK so that price is meaningless.....and you can guarantee that at the same price there will be a comparable scope with better performance.
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by mundaire » Thu May 23, 2013 11:15 am

Grumpy wrote:By it`s very nature, a 1-7x24 scope is not going to be cheap......and can`t be cheap.
For those of us who don't know as much about optics, could you please elaborate a bit more on the above. Does it cost more to manufacture the above spec, than say the seemingly (by the number of various brand models on offer) popular 3-9x42 spec? If so, why would that be? Does having to use better glass/ coatings due to the smaller objective play a role? Or is it something else?

Thanks in anticipation. :)

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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 11:57 am

Look at the variable magnification ratio - that`s a full 1:7 which is a technical feat - especially when compared to something like a 3-9x which has a ratio of 1:3. The scope - if it`s like other Sightrons - is Japanese made using good optics and good coatings. It also has a 30mm tube - not a 1 inch - and an illuminated reticle.
Since posting details of this scope I`ve discovered that Bushnell produce an Elite Tactical 1-8.5x24 with an even greater variable ratio ..... Best price I`ve found on that is $2,149 !
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by mundaire » Thu May 23, 2013 12:08 pm

That clears up a lot, thanks! :) Though I doubt it's a 30mm tube as if it were so wouldn't the tube be wider than the above listed objective of 24? ;)

Do they still manufacture the Bushnell Elite range in Japan? Or has that been shifted to Philippines/ China?

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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 12:21 pm

It definitely is a 30mm tube - and the tube diameter is bound to be greater than the objective diameter with a straight tube scope. The objective fits in the tube ..... not the other way around.
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Post by dev » Thu May 23, 2013 12:47 pm

Grumpy wrote:I won`t ask you to be my finance minister when I become galactic leader ...... if a currency is devalued the cost of imports goes UP !!!
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu May 23, 2013 2:06 pm

Grumpy wrote:I won`t ask you to be my finance minister when I become galactic leader ...... if a currency is devalued the cost of imports goes UP !!!
I have a question to ask.

In India non premium petrol is about Rs.70. Which would be about .83 of a Pound.This price (Rs.70) is inclusive of taxes.The tax component is infact a major part of it.

If prices are dictated by the international market,then why is petrol so much more expensive in UK? Does it not indicate that there is a flaw in the pricing of petrol in your country. If the Pound is devalued I would guess that the major burden on the country would be in terms of higher energy prices.Now if the already high prices are due to some anomalies in the way the prices are set,would not an increase in the burden on the consumer be adjusted by removing these anomalies? Or in other words,though the country might end up paying more in the international market but the cost to the end consumer would remain the same. Also would not this make exports from UK more attractive hence encouraging people to manufacture products in the country itself ?
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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Thu May 23, 2013 2:16 pm

If 1:7 is good would not 1:10 be better? Also some models are cheaper than the Bushnell Tactical you mention

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Re: Sightron SIII 1-7x24 IR 4A

Post by Grumpy » Thu May 23, 2013 5:33 pm

Not necessarily better .... convenient perhaps - but not if x10 ( or whatever ) magnification comes as the expense of a very limited field of view at the high magnifications and low transference of light. That March is £1317 which is pretty well exactly $1976 ..... so not exactly much less expensive than the Bushnell.
If I was going to spend that much money on a scope I`d be buying a Swarovski of some description.

Interesting theory Winnie .... but based on a flawed premise: The reason petrol is so expensive in the majority of European countries ( including the UK ) is because of the huge amounts of tax imposed. Devalue the currency and the cost of petrol would go up because it would cost more. The reason that taxes generally here are so much higher than India is because the state provides so many more services - which all have to be paid for.
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