BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

This is the place for discussing gun care, custom work, repairs and ask related technical questions.
winnie_the_pooh
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 1615
Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by winnie_the_pooh » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:49 am

TwoRivers wrote:Don't know what wood is referred to as "African teak".
Burma teak saplings planted in African colonies during the times of the Raj
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.

For Advertising mail webmaster
User avatar
MDHASAN
On the way to nirvana
On the way to nirvana
Posts: 87
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:25 am
Location: ALIGARH (UP)

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by MDHASAN » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:20 am

i like to made stocks in PAHARI SHEESHAM ,i have 3yrs old pahari sheesham wood it is light in weight and the grains are dark ill post some pics of stocks i have made .

sa_ali
Shooting true
Shooting true
Posts: 945
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:50 pm

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by sa_ali » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:30 am

winnie_the_pooh wrote:There is a ban on the movement of walnut wood out of Kashmir..
There is ban on the plank, but if the wood is already given shape, then you can take it out.

I think the Arshad, they make the butt from walnut and sell it too, i have seen their .22 bruno stock. They ship it through gatti. You can try them also.

Rajat
Shooting true
Shooting true
Posts: 631
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:55 pm

Re: IOF 30-06 Rifle

Post by Rajat » Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:28 pm

TwoRivers wrote: True teak is quite a bit heavier, very stable, and hell on tools. Indian rosewood is also heavy, and has a tendency to develop checks and splits
I think that your statement might be misinterpreted. You have said teak is quite stable and this is true but heavy it is not compared to other Indian woods which may be used for a gunstock. It is easy to work with and can be carved or cut to any shape but as you say edged tools just get blunt a bit faster with this wood even though it does not need much effort to cut or form it this is just due to a presence of a silica like substance in its grains, also it is a quite oily wood.

The best teak comes from India (MP) or from Myanmar. The Indonesian and African varieties that I have seen are cheaper, less stable and do not have such a beautiful grain structure.

Rosewood is basically a wood from the Dalbergia genus. Most of the woods from this family are termed as Rosewood. The wood I had mentioned above as Sheesham belongs to this family and the botanical name is Dalbergia Sissoo. It is not so heavy being almost the same weight as teak (may be just a wee bit more) and also does not have the tendency to develop cracks and splits. In fact is teak is seasoned too fast (I mean in too much heat) it has the tendency to split more than Sheesham. The heartwood also has a beautiful rich colour ranging from medium to darker brown and has a beautiful grain structure and pattern.

Of course the drying process has to be right ans as slow as possible to get the best results from both of these.

Since these Indian wood might be a bit heavier than the European and American Stock woods we can simply use some weight reduction techniques in the making of a gun stock.

User avatar
nagarifle
Old Timer
Old Timer
Posts: 3382
Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:43 pm
Location: The Land of the Nagas

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by nagarifle » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:28 pm

i have been working on teak wood (for the house) what i found out is that teak planted in different parts of the country tend to have different colour shades. naga teak is light with streaks of white. Assam is more on the red side. Burma in deeper red (banned) so one needs to check out the colour and pattern before going for one as some are ugly.

one option is to import blanks from the USA or else where, (depending on the law) as they will be cut dried for a single purpose.
Nagarifle

if you say it can not be done, then you are right, for you, it can not be done.

Amit357
One of Us (Nirvana)
One of Us (Nirvana)
Posts: 382
Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:17 pm
Location: Chandigarh

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Amit357 » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Katana wrote:Thanks Amit, for your offer. Bear in mind that the IOF has a two piece stock. This might require some more quantity than would be necessary.
Hi Katana, dont worry,will take the measurements from a GS ( Gun Smith) and then only pick it up,will be coming to Jodhpur and a cpl of other places by 20th of Feb and am sure you can come there, and collect them/or will use GATI to send it to you,there is a very old Pahari walnut tree in my land in the hills and it is drying up,so thinking of converting it all into 30-06,22,12 Bore etc,etc,etc :D stocks,dont worry to IFG friends it will just be courier charges :D :cheers:

Pradyumna
Almost at nirvana
Almost at nirvana
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:05 pm
Location: Cuttack. Orissa

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Pradyumna » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:40 pm

Hi Brother..I am desperately searching walmut for my .22 IOF purchased new in 2000. I have contacted some dealer in Kanpur through my friend there, but they denied to give it blank...rather advised to bring the rifle to them & to get it fitted by them. Anyway...it will be too nice of you if you would arrange one for me.Let us see Amit Bhai....luck favours me or not.
Pradyumna

TwoRivers
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 1526
Joined: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:11 pm
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by TwoRivers » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:10 pm

Rajat: Thanks for the info. Should have left no doubt that everything was compared to walnut, the "queen of gunstock woods".

Katana
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 1004
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:22 pm
Location: Gujarat

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Katana » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:52 pm

Amit,

Don't know how to thank you!
Justice alone is the mainstay of government and the source of prosperity to the governed, injustice is the most pernicious of things; it saps the foundations of the government and brings ruin upon the realm - Sher Shah Sur, Sultan-ul-Adil.

Amit357
One of Us (Nirvana)
One of Us (Nirvana)
Posts: 382
Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:17 pm
Location: Chandigarh

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Amit357 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:57 pm

Hi Katana am off tommorow and will be back by Friday,will try and arrange the Walnut and will mail you from there,Prad,hi guess the same size plank as required for the 06 would work for the 22,will try and arrange and let you know too.T C :cheers: ,Amit. P S Prad if A/A Dealers start providing Walnut Planks,without fleecing you for the complete stock,who is the gonna pay for the Car Loans,Housing Loans,other loans and various activities incurred by your friendly A/A Dealer ROTFL

Pradyumna
Almost at nirvana
Almost at nirvana
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:05 pm
Location: Cuttack. Orissa

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Pradyumna » Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:31 am

I am speechless for the gesture you have shown Amit Bhai. Now- a-days nobody comes forward to help if he has no personal benifit. Giving you THANKS will be too less.
Pradyumna

Katana
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 1004
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:22 pm
Location: Gujarat

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Katana » Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:44 pm

Have arranged a Tru-Oli kit from Birchwood Casey for the stock finish. Have also spoken to some people for making the stock on Vertical Milling Machine, something like a CNC machine. Of course, I will have to have it designed on CAD-CAM first. Checkering would be then done by laser. I believe the cost should not exceed 4000 rupees for all this. Should anyone be interested, please keep in touch with me.
Justice alone is the mainstay of government and the source of prosperity to the governed, injustice is the most pernicious of things; it saps the foundations of the government and brings ruin upon the realm - Sher Shah Sur, Sultan-ul-Adil.

User avatar
full_circle
Almost at nirvana
Almost at nirvana
Posts: 100
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:33 pm
Contact:

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by full_circle » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:45 am

Modern Gunsmithing by Clyde Baker was published in 1933, and revised by John Traister in 1981. This book recommends Walnut as the best all-round wood for gun stocks. The other woods discussed are Apple, Beech, Cherry, Mahogany, Maple, Myrtle and Rosewood (Brazilian and Indian). Of these, I believe Apple, Beech, Cherry, Mahogany and Rosewood are available in India.
The book also recommends using "board sawed" planks, with grain running parallel to the grip and bottom line of stock for two piece stocks such as the IOF 30-06.

Pradyumna
Almost at nirvana
Almost at nirvana
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:05 pm
Location: Cuttack. Orissa

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by Pradyumna » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:03 pm

Hi Amit Brother.... I am waiting for your kind gesture.

User avatar
abhrankash
Almost at nirvana
Almost at nirvana
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:34 pm
Location: BHUBANESWAR
Contact:

Re: BEST INDIAN WOOD FOR IOF 30-06 RIFLE STOCK MODIFICATION

Post by abhrankash » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:32 pm

if you say then I will prefer to have no1. choice will be wall nut
and the second one will be teak.
if you talk of seesam then this wood very heavy in comparison to other woods available for making butt.
ABHRANKASH

Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees all others.
Winston Churchill

Post Reply