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Postby badshah0522 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:20 am

mundaire\";p=\"49850 wrote:What in the world is a "clutch action"? First time I've come across this particular term...

I came across this word many times in different thread yesterday,,i thought may be it is a term of which i am not aware..
so now it is clear -lever action mean clutch(manual transmission) Autos are Auto transmission (just press the accelator and it goesssssssss) :)


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Re: .44 or .405

Postby R-Dhillon » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:33 pm

Eezactly...the underlever action is also reffered to as clutch action (most dealers in punjab do)...and Mr.Mundaire, I guess the rifle used by Eastwood a number of times in the good, the bad and the ugly is a .44...I'm not sure, I think..



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Postby badshah0522 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:40 pm

R-Dhillon\";p=\"49916 wrote:Eezactly...the underlever action is also reffered to as clutch action (most dealers in punjab do


May be reffered ,,but i never heard before such term,,and also never been to Punjab. :)


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Postby mundaire » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:59 pm

R-Dhillon\";p=\"49916 wrote:Eezactly...the underlever action is also reffered to as clutch action (most dealers in punjab do)...


Just because some gun dealers in Punjab have decided to call it a "clutch action", does not mean that the term is correct. :roll:

R-Dhillon\";p=\"49916 wrote:...and Mr.Mundaire, I guess the rifle used by Eastwood a number of times in the good, the bad and the ugly is a .44...I'm not sure, I think..


It's a .44 all right but which .44? Let's see if you can guess the exact cartridge... ;)

Anyhow, if you are really keen on a lever action I'd suggest you seriously consider something chambered in .30-30 win, it has decent ballistics, relatively low recoil and is available for around INR 100 bucks a pop (so I am told). No point buying a gun which you cannot shoot regularly due to lack of ammo...

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Postby marksman » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:16 pm

It's got to be 44-40 cartridge I guess. This cartridge started off as a black powder round and was later filled with smokeless powder of dram equivalent. Its was a short range round made for both rifle and the revolver and was quite popular with early settlers as a convenient thing for the rifle and the revolver as they fed on the same ammo. . A friend in Mumbai has one Colt Single Action revolver in the caliber. It's fun to shoot with not an unpleasant recoil but has enough wallop at short ranges. It may prove pretty expensive for paper punching though. The 405 was a certified big game round in early 20th century and was made famous by Teddy Roosevelt while on his so called expedition to The Dark Continent to collect wild specimen for the American Museum. The only President to have used his office to enjoy the hunt of a life time at the exchequer's cost. Smart Alec.....Ain't he.
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Postby mundaire » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:28 pm

marksman\";p=\"49937 wrote:It's got to be 44-40 cartridge I guess. This cartridge started off as a black powder round and was later filled with smokeless powder of dram equivalent. Its was a short range round made for both rifle and the revolver and was quite popular with early settlers as a convenient thing for the rifle and the revolver as they fed on the same ammo. . A friend in Mumbai has one Colt Single Action revolver in the caliber. It's fun to shoot with not an unpleasant recoil but has enough wallop at short ranges. It may prove pretty expensive for paper punching though. The 405 was a certified big game round in early 20th century and was made famous by Teddy Roosevelt while on his so called expedition to The Dark Continent to collect wild specimen for the American Museum. The only President to have used his office to enjoy the hunt of a life time at the exchequer's cost. Smart Alec.....Ain't he.
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Nope, it's not the .44-40! Think "yellow"....

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Re: .44 or .405

Postby art_collector » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:36 pm

And art collector...I jus want a rifle coz I want one...n after firing them and looking at the huge damage they do, I luv 'em even if u say its crap, you wont understand the feel of a .44...untill you see a Clint Eastwood movie...


I don't need to see clint Eastwood...have been seeing these rifles all my life..The only thing I have learnt from my Dad is that your rifle is there to protect u at the time of need.(Aap iske seva karo yeh apkee sewa karege)(App iskee sewa kar saktee hai isse use kar kee...aur 800/- wale kitne kartoos aap chalangee practice kee liyee yeh sochana asambhav nahi hai mere liyee).

..well it ur money and ur life...put it to the best use you can. I will in the mean time post some pics of 44 & .405 ammo in my collection.

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Re: .44 or .405

Postby Vikram » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:59 pm

RDhillon,

I wrote it earlier and I write it again.Please spend some time learning about guns,rifles and ammo on IFG and other internet resources.It helps you to know what you want better and saves us time trying to understand what exactly you need.I hope it makes sense.Thank you.

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Postby mundaire » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:16 pm

No answers so far (except for Marksman)?

Well, it was the rimfire cartridge .44 Henry and the gun used was the Model 1866 "yellow boy" Winchester repeating rifle (with ladder elevated sights). Doubt if R-Dhillon would be able to find any ammunition for the .44 Henry, even if he is able to find a decent condition Winchester model 1866...

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Postby eljefe » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:46 pm

brass receiver at that...


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Postby R-Dhillon » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:53 pm

Well as far as self defence is concerned 12 bore shotty and a .32 s&w revolver do their jobs quite well...havent heard of anyone using a rifle for self defence...Thanks to my three tibetan mastiffs, a rottweiler and a german sheperd, I have a secure sleep...


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Postby mundaire » Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:57 am

eljefe\";p=\"49985 wrote:brass receiver at that...


Yep, hence "yellow boy" :)


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Re: .44 or .405

Postby dilrajjjj » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:05 am

R-Dhillon wrote:I need a bolt or clutch action...n if u can arrange one in good condition art collector...I'll buy it...

I have one Winchester 405 model 1895, do you have any idea what is the current market value of this gun ?



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Re: .44 or .405

Postby Shivaji.Dasgupta » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:02 pm

dilrajjjj wrote:
R-Dhillon wrote:I need a bolt or clutch action...n if u can arrange one in good condition art collector...I'll buy it...

I have one Winchester 405 model 1895, do you have any idea what is the current market value of this gun ?


only collector piece now a days due to ammo prob. I don't think it will fetch anything higher than 50/60 K. that's too if the buyer can understand its real value..
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Re: .44 or .405

Postby Jr. » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:01 pm

The Winchester 1895 is a beautiful Rifle.
Owing to scarcity of Cartridge, the 1895 Winchester Rifle in 405 is not much in demand.
The price quoted by Shivaji is correct.
Also getting a customer will be difficult.
If sold through a Gun Shop, one would not get more than Rs.30,000.
With time this lovely Rifle will be unfortunately, obsolete in India.
I would never recommend this Cartridge for Elephant.
It is good for soft skinned animal.
I would suggest retaining the Rifle and try your best, to source Ammunition for it.
It is difficult not impossible.

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